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LAST JAPANESE FIGHTER RECOVERED IN HAWAII
AOPA ePilot ^ | 18 August 2006

Posted on 08/22/2006 3:51:50 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru

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To: Tennessee_Bob

Great story.


41 posted on 08/22/2006 5:35:13 PM PDT by cll (Carthage must be destroyed)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks

"...They also canceled the larger Montana class, which reached the blueprint stage..."


Now that would have been one awesome ship.


42 posted on 08/22/2006 5:35:23 PM PDT by mcshot ("If it ain't broke it doesn't have enough features." paraphrased anon.)
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To: Eric in the Ozarks; rmlew
They also canceled the larger Montana class, which reached the blueprint stage...

The Montana Class would have been a logistical nightmare. It was actually designed to withstand hits from the sixteen inch guns used by the North Carolina and Iowa Class battleships, but it wouldn't have been able to traverse the Panama Canal. I'm not sure if it would have been able to take direct hits from the 18 inch guns on the Japanese Yamato class battleships. It would have required lots more fuel and used up steel that could go into more tanks and aircraft carriers.

43 posted on 08/22/2006 5:35:45 PM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: SAMWolf

:^)

I didn't think you'd see the ping, but I added you just in case.


44 posted on 08/22/2006 5:37:59 PM PDT by Samwise (All that is needed for evil to triumph is that good men do nothing.)
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To: ichabod1

Just what I thought it meant too. It could be read either way.


45 posted on 08/22/2006 5:43:16 PM PDT by Ditter
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To: sionnsar
"the warnings of a possible Japanese attack made by Gen. Billy Mitchell in 1924"

Can you imagine the pin-head dutifully plowing up all his land? But Ah-Ha! With patience and perseverance, he did bag himself a Mitsubishi!

46 posted on 08/22/2006 5:50:55 PM PDT by Minutemen ("It's a Religion of Peace")
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To: Paleo Conservative

Looks a lot like an Iowa class BB...

47 posted on 08/22/2006 5:51:04 PM PDT by IonImplantGuru (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: Tennessee_Bob

Cool story!!


48 posted on 08/22/2006 5:54:05 PM PDT by true_blue_texican
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To: Paleo Conservative
The German navy probably could have benefitted from diverting the investment it made in the Bismark into more advanced submarines especially ones with air independent propulsion.
Probably. However the German Navy had been promised 5 more years of peace and planned accordingly.

Sure they tied up lots of surface ships for a few weeks, but eventually it was disabled by a torpedo launched from an obsolete Swordfish biplane launched from the British carrier HMS Ark Royal.
That only occured because german engineers assumed that British bombers would fly faster than 100 knots. It was only because they were using the Fairey Swordfish, that the British aviators escaped sestruction. And it was only luck that ensured a perfect hit on the Bismark.

By 1942, it was clear that only fast battleships would suffice. There is a heck of a difference between a ship that goes 23 knots and one that goes 30 knots when trying to catch a fast moving fleet. The 1923 South Dakota would have faired worse than the 1941 USS Washington (the 1941 USS South Dakota suffered electrical malfunction during the battle and served only as a camoflage and a target of japanese attention, while the Washington cloased on the Kirishima and then crippled it.)
In the Naval Battle of Guadalcanal, the US had the advantage of having 2 new fast battleships, whereas the Japanese only had upgraded pre-World War I battlecruisers.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Naval_Battle_of_Guadalcanal

49 posted on 08/22/2006 5:58:21 PM PDT by rmlew (I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
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To: rmlew; Paleo Conservative
The presense of the USS South Dakota in the Enterprise carrier group saved that carrier in the Battle off Santa Cruz. The USS Hornet, which did not have the luxury of 12 extra 5" guns and many 40mm guns from a battleship was sunk.
50 posted on 08/22/2006 6:03:59 PM PDT by rmlew (I'm a Goldwater Republican... Don Goldwater 2006!)
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To: Tennessee_Bob
Read this story and you'll see the heros.

Thanks for the link. It's a great story. I especially like the description of the main hero:

They don't make many like this guy anymore.

51 posted on 08/22/2006 6:13:24 PM PDT by Mase
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To: IonImplantGuru

I thought this thread was going to be about another 'last' Japanese fighter who refused to give up and was found in the jungle somewhere.


52 posted on 08/22/2006 6:18:05 PM PDT by wildbill
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To: ExSES
Yeah, he scared the crap out of the Navy, and as a result he had a target on his back for the rest of his career. A real visionary, though. Got himself a nice airport too. :)
53 posted on 08/22/2006 6:19:32 PM PDT by July 4th (A vacant lot cancelled out my vote for Bush.)
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To: IonImplantGuru
They wrote a song, "They Couldn't Take Niihau Nohow."

The hero was featured in an American Heritage article back in the sixties some time.

54 posted on 08/22/2006 6:27:14 PM PDT by AnAmericanMother ((Ministrix of Ye Chase, TTGC Ladies' Auxiliary (recess appointment)))
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To: sionnsar

I've read that the Japanese stole the defense plans for Corregidor in 1911 when Black Jack Pershing was out there working for Arthur MacArthur. 1911.


55 posted on 08/22/2006 6:28:16 PM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: IonImplantGuru

Was the execution of this POW approved by JAG HQ?


56 posted on 08/22/2006 6:31:33 PM PDT by BnBlFlag (Deo Vindice/Semper Fidelis "Ya gotta saddle up your boys; Ya gotta draw a hard line")
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To: SAMWolf

Got a pic of the Philippine NG Peashooters that engaged the Japanese on December 8th?


57 posted on 08/22/2006 6:46:08 PM PDT by norton
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To: metesky
I've read that the Japanese stole the defense plans for Corregidor in 1911

Can you elaborate? I am completely in the dark here...

58 posted on 08/22/2006 6:57:14 PM PDT by sionnsar (†trad-anglican.faithweb.com† | Iran Azadi | SONY: 5yst3m 0wn3d, N0t Y0urs | NYT:Jihadi Journal)
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To: MissEdie

Talking out of turn (to the Media). Commonplace nowadays.

BTW, Douglas MacArthur was the presiding officer in Mitchell's trial.

Mitchell was a major commander of the air component during WW1 & so was our foremost airpower expert. Imagine if we had court-martialed George S. Patton, our leading tank expert? Imagine the difference in the way the ground war would have been fought?

Turn it around. What if Mitchell had survived to command allied air forces (instead of Hap Arnold)? Maybe we would have had the B-29, and other advanced types BEFORE we entered WW2 instead of toward the end of it. Perhaps we wouldn't have spent the first year of the war sending un-escorted bombers over Europe & taking 20 - 25% losses on each mission.


59 posted on 08/22/2006 7:00:07 PM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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To: rmlew

Good point & one I was about to make. One slight quibble: one reason that major surface actions were commonplace in the waters around Guadalcanal was that both sides had lost the use of their carriers at about the same time. The US lost the Wasp to a torpedo, Enterprise was laid up for repairs, Yorktown was gone, and the Essex-carriers were not yet on line.

The Japanese had lost Soryu, Hiryu, Kaga & Akagi at Midway. Their remaining fleet carriers, Shokkaku & Zuikkaku were also damaged & undergoing repairs.

The Japanese would run surface ships down the slot at night, but had to scramble back up the slot before the Army/Navy/Marine pilots started patrolling at dawn. Any damaged Japanese vessel from a night surface action was basically dead meat by the next morning.


60 posted on 08/22/2006 7:07:10 PM PDT by Tallguy (The problem with this war is the name... You don't wage war against a tactic.)
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