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"Please give specific examples of phony darwinism evidence"

OK, I do have a job so I can't be trolling the darwinist blogs all day like you clowns. But here is some evidence of your phoniness off the top of my head - I'll get more later if you like (I have yet to visit one of your "creationist" web sites either). And just for the record lets keep this honest between us, its darwinism vs. ID (everyone believes in evolution even temporary microevolution of species - and creationism is a religious issue)

fraud #1 Charles Dawson’s Piltdown Man "found" in 1912 in Sussex England turned out to be a 1000 yr old human skull with a jaw bone from a modern orangutan (monkey for you guys) proved via carbon dating

fraud #2 peppered moths from industrial England were staged by gluing dead moths to tree trunks

fraud #3 Haeckel's embryo drawings showing human embryos next to those of chickens and fish, etc. again turned out to be fake drawings (oh well can't win' em all right)

fraud #4 fossils found by Hans Thewssen and Gingrich purportedly showing the link between land mammals and whales. This as well as the rest of the frauds were trumpeted by the darwinists in school texts and elsewhere showing how wonderful darwin was and that his beliefs are really "facts" - later proven that the fossils could not have been related to the whale.

fraud #5 Miller-Urey experiment in 1953 created amino acids by electricity through a "primordial soup" of early earth atmosphere. The "atmosphere" they used was later (frauds are always caught after the text books are written to fool our kids - have you noticed this) proven to be modeled on Jupiter, not Earth. Of course this and other frauds are still taught in Biology class. (kinda like Bush lied people died, its catchy)

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And how did creation science expose Piltdown? (Or was it mainstream science.) Many people think it curious that the Catholic Priest and ID writer (who was present at one of the finds) never wrote about Piltdown, despite a lifetime of writing about the subject of human evolution.

The peppered moth photos were staged. Actually, the scandal is much worse than that. Many illustration in publications like Scientific American are actually drawing or paintings.

Haeckel's drawing have inaccuracies, but bet you can't tell me what they are. In fact, many creationists, like the author of "Icons of Evolution" are so ignorant they haven't noticed that more resent versions of embryo drawings have been corrected. Anyway, photos confirm the main point of the drawings. Species that are descended from common ancestors have similar appearing embryos up to a point of divergence.

There is nothing fraudulent about whale transitionals. Where did you get that?

The Miller experiment demonstrates that complex organic compounds can form in the absence of life.

[Coyoteman]

fraud #1 Charles Dawson’s Piltdown Man "found" in 1912 in Sussex England turned out to be a 1000 yr old human skull with a jaw bone from a modern orangutan (monkey for you guys) proved via carbon dating

This was a hoax, not a fraud, and it was discovered by scientists. Piltdown was largely ignored because it did not fit the pattern of all the other fossils (Friedrichs and Weidenreich had both, by about 1932, published their research suggesting the lower jaws and molars were that of an orang). By the way, an orang is an ape, not a monkey. And the fossils were disproved by fluorine testing, not radiocarbon.

fraud #2 peppered moths from industrial England were staged by gluing dead moths to tree trunks

This was not a fraud, and only creationists still call it one. See the following links:

• CB601. The traditional peppered moth story is no longer supportable.
  • CB601.1. Peppered moths do not rest on tree trunks, and pictures of them there were faked.
  • CB601.2. Peppered moths occur in uncamouflaged colors in many areas.
    • CB601.2.1. Dark moths never completely replaced light ones in Manchester.
    • CB601.2.2. In several areas dark moths were more common than expected.
    • CB601.2.3. Dark moths increased in s. Britain after pollution control began.
    • CB601.2.4. In places, light moths increased before lichens reappeared.
    • CB601.2.5. Light moths increased before trees got lighter.

fraud #3 Haeckel's embryo drawings showing human embryos next to those of chickens and fish, etc. again turned out to be fake drawings (oh well can't win' em all right)

• CB701. Haeckel falsified his embryo pictures.

fraud #4 fossils found by Hans Thewssen and Gingrich purportedly showing the link between land mammals and whales. This as well as the rest of the frauds were trumpeted by the darwinists in school texts and elsewhere showing how wonderful darwin was and that his beliefs are really "facts" - later proven that the fossils could not have been related to the whale.

• CC216.1. There are gaps between land mammals and whales.

fraud #5 Miller-Urey experiment in 1953 created amino acids by electricity through a "primordial soup" of early earth atmosphere. The "atmosphere" they used was later (frauds are always caught after the text books are written to fool our kids - have you noticed this) proven to be modeled on Jupiter, not Earth. Of course this and other frauds are still taught in Biology class. (kinda like Bush lied people died, its catchy)

• CB035. Miller's experiments had an invalid assumption of the type of atmosphere.
  • CB035.1. Earth's early atmosphere had abundant oxygen.
  • CB035.2. Earth's early atmosphere had no reducing gases.
  • CB035.3. Amino acids are not generated from just CO2, nitrogen, and water.

As you can see, your claims of fraud are so well known, and so oft-disputed that they have even been numbered. (See Index to Creationist Claims for the full list.)

Care to try again?

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