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To: dread78645; js1138
Thanks for the pre-ordination background on Jones.

At the time, Disciples of Christ claimed one and a half million members. Hardly a "fringe".

I wasn't claiming that DoC was a fringe, but that Jones and his congregation were a fringe group.

It pointed out the inconsistencies, errors, indecencies in the Bible, particularly the KJV.

The Bible doesn't contain any errors, inconsistencies or indecencies. I rather like the KJV translation but it has its flaws.

All well known and acknowledged by Christians today, except for literal fundamatists.

While the claims of Biblical error, inconsistency and indecency are well-known to me, I don't acknowledge such claims as being particularly well-founded. And I am not a fundamentalist.

the word 'myth' (your quote) is not found

Correct. he does not use the word "myth."

He uses other degrading epithets to claim that the Bible is false, but he does not specifically include the word "myth" among those epithets.

Nope.

Again, you are technically correct that he did not explicitly say that Jesus was not God and that he was not the Messiah. What he did instead was to claim to be a prophet himself and arrogate to himself the authority to stand in judgment over Scripture (an authority Jesus never claimed). What he did instead was to describe Jesus as a "savior-teacher" and carefully avoid referring to him as God incarnate, to refer to Jesus as "reincarnatable as a child's smile" and said that Jesus "left the body in the Sonship degree" - which is an Arian, not a Christian notion.

There's no central authority to 'dis-fellowship' a member church.

At the general Assemblies, the congregations of the DoC at that time decided whether or not they would remain in fellowship with other congregations. It was a foregone conclusion that the Peoples Temple would be officially disfellowshipped, as the other congregations of the DoC had already made crystal clear that they did not consider the Peoples Temple to be a legitimate congregation, but a cult.

When all the other congregations of a denomination want nothing to do with you, you are disfellowshipped.

Privately, Hitler was close to Rosenberg's views, but in public, he had to distance himself

He was cagey, but he did not hesitate to promote Rosenberg's writings.

That was neo-pagan Himmler.

I sincerely doubt Himmler could have done anything without the leader's blessing.

Nope. Ludwig Müller was little known Lutheran minister

I was unclear. I consider Mueller (a Marcionist, not a neo-pagan) to have been just a puppet installed by Rosenberg, whom I consider to be the chief architect and leader (head minister in a political sense, not head bishop in an ecclesiastical sense) of state-controlled religious institutions in the Reich.

Nope. That was Rosenberg and atheist Martin Bormann.

Again, I consider Rosenberg to have been head minister of religion in the Reich, and those proposals come from his 30 point plan that he used to design the National Church.

696 posted on 08/25/2006 6:19:14 AM PDT by wideawake ("The nation which forgets its defenders will itself be forgotten." - Calvin Coolidge)
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To: wideawake
When all the other congregations of a denomination want nothing to do with you, you are disfellowshipped.

Sort of like the break-away Episcopalians.

697 posted on 08/25/2006 6:26:06 AM PDT by js1138 (Well I say there are some things we don't want to know! Important things!")
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