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Highway mix of cars, semis still lethal [Separation of road and road]
Capital Times ^ | 8-21-06 | Dave Zweifel

Posted on 08/21/2006 6:50:52 PM PDT by SJackson

The Wisconsin Department of Transportation trumpeted it as good news.

Accidents involving big trucks on our state's roads and highways declined in 2005.

In fact, the State Patrol's Bureau of Transportation Safety said that the 7,762 truck crashes during the last year represented the lowest number in 16 years. Just 10 years ago, large truck crashes totaled more than 9,400, it said.

The number of people killed in crashes involving semis and other large trucks in 2005 was 94, the fewest since 1992, when 90 people perished in such collisions.

State Patrol Capt. Chuck Teasdale credited the better numbers to the patrol's "extensive safety inspections" and "close monitoring of drivers."

"Traffic law enforcement is another key component because it focuses on truck drivers' decisions and behaviors that often cause crashes," he said. "We also are working with trucking companies and organizations to educate drivers about safety issues."

Frankly, we could all use some good news about the growing dangerous mix of passenger cars and ever-more-powerful semis on the roads. Only a few days ago, another tractor-trailer rammed into the rear of stopped traffic on the Beltline, the driver unable to bring its heavy load to a stop. Fortunately, there were no serious injuries, although traffic was stopped dead on the busy Beltline for most of the morning.

Drivers on the Jersey Turnpike last week weren't as fortunate. Four people were killed and four more injured when a flatbed truck loaded with bricks slammed into stopped traffic. The truck wasn't able to stop. It pushed one car under the trailer of another truck, killing three of the four people in it. It then careered over a guard rail and overturned, spilling the bricks onto a second car, killing the woman who was driving it.

Now it's true that trucks don't always run into the rear of passenger cars and it's also true that many of the accidents are more the fault of the car drivers than of the truck drivers. Trouble is, the car drivers don't stand much of a chance in an encounter between the two.

And it's also true that the lethal mix of the two is becoming more volatile as the increase in the number of cars and the growth of the trucking industry continue unabated. We may have had a good year in 2005, but that's bound to change as the unhealthy mix of the two gets more severe.

The time will come when passenger cars and trucks will have to be separated, either through a redesign of our national highway system or encouraging even more use of railroad rights of way.

Congratulations to the State Patrol for a good year, but don't hold your breath for the future.


TOPICS: Editorial; Government; US: Wisconsin
KEYWORDS: baloney; transportation; trucking
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To: sit-rep
I cannot believe there are folks like you out

Well I can believe there are folks like you who don't bother to ACTUALLY READ A POST before typing their little fingers off posting some erroneous thing based on their imagination instead of FACTS

Try reading posts BEFORE replying

Post #35 & Post #119

121 posted on 08/22/2006 9:23:06 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: Xenalyte; Blue Jays
Another explanation might be that apackof2 is a girl, and we girls are known to refer to our female cronies as "girlfriends".

He was too busy stereotyping ALL motorists in his defense of ALL truckers
to consider the obvious

122 posted on 08/22/2006 9:28:27 AM PDT by apackof2 (They wait on you hand and foot so they can charge you an arm and a leg)
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To: apackof2; nascarnation; carlr; metmom
Hi apackof2-

All I've determined is that it is painful to read your post in all bold font. Your other concerns were addressed elsewhere in the thread.

~ Blue Jays ~

123 posted on 08/22/2006 9:41:12 AM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: LukeL; uptoolate; Pete-R-Bilt; tubebender

The thing you may not be taking into consideration is that the truckers eyes are at least 10 feet above the road. He doesn't look at the vehicle in front of him to determine what his next move should be, he's looking at least half a mile in front of his truck.

He is watching what the car that is 20 vehicles in front of him is doing and all the time keeping an eye out for every car in between #20 and #1, the two or three cars beside him and the ones who are coming up behind him that will be beside him in a mile or so.

Yes, they do try to maintain a 360 degree on going situation awareness. The reason for this is because if someone in front of him does something he may have to move the truck to the left or the right and he doesn't want to be crushing some idiot who thinks it is safe to drive beside a 40 ton semi.

It is NOT safe to drive beside a 40 ton semi. Not on the right nor on the left. Pass those trucks, do not linger beside them. If one of the vehicles in front of him has a mechanical failure and drops something on the road that cause a tire to blow you could end up with a 50 pound piece of rubber knocking your entire windshield into your car.

If he decides he has to change lanes because somebody slammed on their brakes and the car directly in front of him is full of youngsters or babies and you aren't immediately easily seen then you are going to be crushed.

For the truck driver, driving at the same speed as the surrounding cars is the easiest way to drive because he doesn't have cars constantly passing him, nor do people tend to drive beside trucks for more than a mile or two. Why? Because of the noise. They might miss a phone call or a favorite song on the radio.

Also people don't tend to tailgate too close at 70 or 75 miles an hour. Maybe it occurs that if a retread comes loose they won't have time to dodge it before their grill gets stuffed back into the radiator.

I don't worry about the truckers. I worry about what the car driver is going to do in front of him that is going to force the trucker into doing something that is unsafe.


126 posted on 08/22/2006 12:04:09 PM PDT by B4Ranch (Illegal immigration Control and US Border Security - The jobs George W. Bush refuses to do.)
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To: B4Ranch
Hi B4Ranch-

I've always liked to travel behind big rigs (with their rearview mirrors in sight) because I figure the truck is providing a great safety cushion for me. If something or someone has to get hit, I'd rather the truck in front of me do the heavy lifting! If he slams on the brakes, I'll have plenty of reaction time and can stop faster, anyway.

The other side benefit is that I'm probably saving a few pennies on gasoline due to the "drafting" effect. Trucks create a substantial slipstream, so why not benefit since it hurts nobody. I find that respecting their size is the easiest way to get along with professional truckers.

~ Blue Jays ~

127 posted on 08/22/2006 12:39:05 PM PDT by Blue Jays (Rock Hard, Ride Free)
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To: uptoolate
"If you can't see my mirrors, then I can't see _ _ _."

Yeah, I distinctly remember reading that as I began passing a semi in the passing lane. I was still looking at his mirrors as he started to change into my lane, running me off the road and into the median ditch.

128 posted on 08/22/2006 12:50:28 PM PDT by Heyworth
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To: apackof2
It just could be that he's on the defensive. I certainly understand why he would be. Because four wheelers, by and large, a vast majority, are the one's who are always jumping the gun when it comes to an accident...."always assumes the big rig is at fault". When usually it's the exact opposite. The four wheelers are too busy putting on their mascara or lipstick, or reading the newspaper or one of these "me first, me first" kind of people. Or they have this appendage attached to their ears that lessens their concentration of what's around them. Those are the kind of things that create accidents.
I went on a trip with my trucker husband and was floored by how unaware people were of a BIG RIG when they were YIELDING to traffic getting on the freeway. Do they think the trucker can see them by osmosis? Are they that stupid or arrogant to think that that truck needs to yield to them? What about the millions of fourwheelers who are in perpetual tailgating mode? Or the four wheeler who waits til the last minute to make a lane change? Or what about the millions of fourwheelers who don't go the speed limit?
If the general public had to do and know the same things the average truck driver had to know there'd be a lot less drivers out there. Yes, there's some bad, bad truck drivers. But the percentages are way low in comparison to the common driver.
Hwy 50 going to Sac and back I stay in the slow lane and do the speed limit while most everyone around me are blowing my doors off. I wish the hp would inforce the speed limit but they don't. Maybe if they made the fines as harsh as they do for the truck drivers, they would stay in line. But that's asking too much. Or, I don't know, maybe patrol the highway? Now that would be a novelty.
129 posted on 08/22/2006 1:11:16 PM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: TonyRo76
Apology accepted. And thank you too. My husband doesn't have any respect for unions, he thinks they're bad all around. I am limited in my knowledge on unions. My dad was a teamster when I was a kid, but he didn't like them because they were always threatening to strike, and that would mean he might not be able to work. He just wanted to make a living. <
> JMHO but I think the unions are one reason why things are made overseas. They outsourced themselves. How a person who makes the wages they do can strike because they have to pay for some of their insurance is beyond me. They should be counting their blessings they have insurance and make the wages they do.
130 posted on 08/22/2006 1:25:25 PM PDT by Not just another dumb blonde
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To: apackof2

I agree.

I drive a lot for my employer (about 150 miles per day) and I see lots of crazy truckers.

Minnesota law says trucks must maintain a 500 foot cushion between themselves and the vehicle in front (which is really impossible in metro traffic because someone will move in and fill a gap that big in no time), but they tailgate all the time.


131 posted on 08/22/2006 2:01:56 PM PDT by NorthWoody (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: apackof2

How exactly does a trucker way up in his cab flash a woman in a smaller vehicle below him?

And furthermore, why does your girlfriend have a husband?


132 posted on 08/22/2006 2:05:20 PM PDT by NorthWoody (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Kieri

On the I494/694 beltway around Mineapolis/St. Paul, trucks are required to use the right lane only in areas where there are only two lanes moving in one direction. I don't think their speed is limited, though, and I don't think it should be. If they're moving to fast or too slow compared to other traffic, they're a hazard just the same.

I agree with you on the back roads. I avoid busy highways whenever possible. It may take five minutes longer to get where you're going, but it's much easier on the blood pressure. Until you get caught behind some farmer moving 15mph on his tractor and thinking he owns the whole road, that is. :-)


133 posted on 08/22/2006 2:13:13 PM PDT by NorthWoody (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: Little Ray

That's not how the law reads here. Same right of way rules for everybody.


134 posted on 08/22/2006 2:37:29 PM PDT by NorthWoody (A vote is like a rifle: its usefulness depends upon the character of the user. - Theodore Roosevelt)
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To: B4Ranch; Pete-R-Bilt
Do ya reckon y'all ought to put a white bed sheet on the clothes line to let Pet know ya have a urgent message for him...
135 posted on 08/22/2006 4:07:12 PM PDT by tubebender
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To: gogeo

I'd feel alot better if part of the driving training class that people take to get a licence had some time dedicated to teaching people about trucks and how to operate on the roads with the big rigs.

Every year there are new rules and regulation changes to the DOT handbook and the Hazmat guidelines. Truck drivers are constantly jumping through hoops trying to keep up to date. Now it takes 6 weeks to renew a CDL in Illinois due to fingerprinting and background checks. All drivers should be required to be re-educated in the rules of the road and on going training.

At the very least, we could start with those 4-6-8 hour classes people take to keep moving violations off their record. My wife was in one of those classes where the instructor open up the floor for questions on the rules of the road. She got me on the phone where I was feeding her some questionsn about how to deal with trucks on the road.

When she raised her hand and offered up a question about how to properly pass a truck and what to look for while passing to avoid danger, the instructor said that they were not there to talk about trucks but only about cars!

Huh?


136 posted on 08/22/2006 4:57:37 PM PDT by uptoolate (The U.N. will be the tool of the Anti-Christ)
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To: Blue Jays; apackof2
Well that serves her right for cheating on her spouse. Her poor husband is busy making angry calls to trucking companies about alleged perverts and meanwhile she is straying into the arms of another man. She has a lot of nerve.

That sure is reading a lot into something that was never said or implied. Why accuse her of that kind of stuff just because she didn't like that kind of vulgar behavior being directed to her with her children with her and she complained? On what basis do you make such insinuations about another's character? What should she have done? Just be quiet and let it go? Let him get away with it so he can do it again? What's your problem?

137 posted on 08/22/2006 8:04:59 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SamAdams76
I-81 through Pennsylvania is the worst highway for trucks that I know of. From Scranton to the Mason/Dixon line (or Waffle House/Dunkin Donuts line for you modern people), it is white-knuckle all the way.

It ain't any better in NY all the way up to Watertown.

138 posted on 08/22/2006 8:11:03 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: tubebender
I thought the biggest menace on roads and highways were male driver 16 to 26

It's beginning to look like the female population in that age range is joining fast. Some of the female drivers in that age range that I've seen could go toe to toe with any guy for aggression. The thing that alarms me is that with guys it just seems to be the kind of macho car thing, showing off, but these females seem to be nasty and callous, or indifferent about it. Just a different sense I get from them as drivers.

139 posted on 08/22/2006 8:16:38 PM PDT by metmom (Welfare was never meant to be a career choice.)
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To: SJackson
I know there is a terrible shortage of truck drivers, and companies are desperately seeking help.

I would imagine there are drivers out there who are lacking the experience needed.

In fact I bet it wouldn't be a bad career track for a lot of folks.

140 posted on 08/22/2006 8:21:04 PM PDT by lawnguy (Give me some of your tots!!!)
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