It's not my research. You claimed the photos were an integral part of the study; I'm claiming that the study would have been the same if it had not been illustrated. Since the actual study had to do with the numbers of light and dark moths that were eaten, I really don't see what the picture had to do with anything, other than to give the reader an idea of what the predatory birds saw.
And there is nothing fake about the photos. They simply show the light/dark moths on a light/dark bark background.
Give it up already, your obsession with the “No one who is for evolution would ever lie” line shows you for what you are, a believer, not a scientist. (Not that being a believer is bad, if you are willing to admit it.)
But I never said that. What I did way was that in 150 years there has been one hoax or fraud (Piltdown) and one case of exaggerated drawings (Haeckel). The first was pretty much ignored for 30 years until the definite proof of fraud was produced; the latter has been superseded by modern photographs (that, incidentally, show recapitulation; - there are a lot more examples of it known to us than there were to Haeckel).
Meanwhile, just in the last 50-odd years, how many frauds have anti-evolution activists committed? Well, there's
"Dr" Carl Baugh's fake human/dinosaur footprints - exposed by scientists, not by anti-evolution activists
Gary Parker's dishonest claims that protein analysis shows humans to be more closely related to chickens and bullfrogs than to chimps.
Don Patton's false claims about "Malachite Man" (ne "Moab Man")
Talk Origins exhaustive listing of fake "anomalous fossils"
The fake account of Darwin renouncinghis theory on his deathbed, pushed by the self-serving preacherwoman "Lady Hope".
Kent Hovind's notorious $250,000 challenge to "prove" the Theory of Evolution, where, in order to win, you'd also have to "prove" that "1. Time, space, and matter came into existence by themselves." (When the IRS gets through with him, he won't have the 250K; but that's another kind of fraud, tax fraud)
Lies about what astronomers have found
The thousands of fraudulent quotations mined from legitimate scientists by anti-evolution activists with no more respect for the scientists than they have for that mother lode of mined quotes, the Bible.
So one or two in 150 years doesn't look at all bad in context, does it?
>>You claimed the photos were an integral part of the study
Integral, I do not remember using that word… part of the study, yes.
(Please don’t put words in my mouth; I don’t know where they’ve been) / Humor
>>So one or two in 150 years doesn't look at all bad in context, does it?
In your post # 326 http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1684487/posts?page=326#326 you (said or quoted, I am not sure because of the formatting, but either way, I’ll assume that this is your position since you then started to argue for it.)
>>Do you -- does anyone -- have any *real* examples of
>>actual "fakery" done in an actual attempt to falsely
>>bolster evolutionary biology itself in the view of those
>>who might be "on the fence"? I'm familiar with a lot
>>more of the history of science than most people on this
>>forum, and *I'm* not aware of any such attempts. So drop
>>the goofy conspiracy theories, please.
Yes, I have *real* examples, (In an absolute statement, only one example of exception is necessary to prove it false). You have admitted to 1.5 falsehoods, so my point is made. (I love the half a falsehood BTW)
>>>>Give it up already, your obsession with the “No one
>>>>who is for evolution would ever lie” line shows you
>>>>for what you are, a believer, not a scientist. (Not
>>>>that being a believer is bad, if you are willing to
>>>>admit it.)
>>But I never said that.
See your quote from 326 above. If you don’t agree with something, why quote it? (Yes I quote Marx all the time, but I never said I agreed with him) You are not reasoning in a straight line here.
>>What I did say was that in 150 years there has been one
>>hoax or fraud (Piltdown) and one case of exaggerated
>>drawings (Haeckel).
See my dog poop in brownies example above. I am not saying you should believe anything, and I believe I stated that there were falsehoods on both sides BEFORE you trotted this list out, so what is your point? These three that I listed are famous fakeries, I could find more, but I was not entering a contest of “Fakery Finding”.
Bringing out “Evidence” of falsehoods of people trying to prove evolution wrong is beating a dead horse since I said it had happened in my prior post. (Bringing out the list actually bolsters my point)
Apparently you have more of a taste for dog poop than I.
In short, you keep trying to make this a fight between two competing theories; I am not promoting a theory. I was told this could be proven. It has not been. I am not promoting a theory of my own, as you seem to keep thinking, by attacking what you think is my position. As I stated earlier, I believe God could have used evolution, (punctuated equilibrium, or steady progression), six day creation (complete with carbon dating, and Dinosaur fossils in the soil layers), or some other yet to be discovered method. As such, I can be impartial in my analysis because my faith is not at risk. An analysis of your statements here reveals you as a believer in evolution, and one who is a little fanatical at that.
Some advice, Go out side, get some fresh air, look at God’s creations through your eyes, not a microscope, play with some kids (preferably your own) relax. Then when you have a clearer mind, re-read my posts. You keep arguing my points as if there is something to fight about.
I will restate my opinions here
1. Evolution has not been “Proved beyond a shadow of a doubt”.
2. All theories should be taught, until disproved.
3. This discussion generates an emotional response (because it affects people’s personal beliefs) which leads people to do and say things in the heat of the moment that they later regret.
4. We may never know the answers, but the study is important because it teaches us as much about ourselves as the answers would.
See? Not really much to fight about, these are pretty self evident (of course my opinions will always seem self evident to me; Grin)
Be well.