Posted on 08/14/2006 6:06:47 PM PDT by Agent Smith
Protestant don't venerate Mary.
I know. But why not? She is the mother of God, after all.
1. Mary is the mother of Jesus.
2. Jesus = God.
3. Therefore, Mary is the mother of _________.
Fill in the blank.
Catholics also have SAINTS they pray to; Protestants don't.
And Marianism was NOT a part of the earlier church. That came later.
Just take it as a given that Protestant do NOT have the same reverence for Mary, as Catholics do and stop hijacking this thread. You want to discuss religion? Take it to the religion section. And NO, I won't join you there!
Jesus, the son of GOD in HUMAN form. Is the way we answer your "blank".
Needs to be the world over.
Yes. Nor can we continue to allow those who openly profess to hate the United States to dictate to us what shall and shall not be done in the interest of the safety of our nation.
'Moderate' Muslim:
One without a gun or a bomb.
This entire screening debate is laughable.
We are dealing with insane individuals who are committed to ONE thing - the murder of infidels.
To borrow a line from "Terminator" - they can be reasoned with. They can't be bargained with. They do not feel pain or remorse or pity. And they absolutely will not stop - ever. Until you are dead.
Mad dogs are shot without question. Why not the radical Islamic facists?
The day is coming when the terrorists will actually succeed in pulling off an attack that kills 10,000 or more citizens. Much more if they ever acquire nuclear technology. It will be devastating and sickening. MAYBE after that strike this country will take off the kid gloves and deal with this issue in a permanent manner.
We will quit looking the other way; we will cease settling for a half-baked PC remedy; we will not appease the terrorist sympathizers (A.N.S.W.E.R., ACLU, CAIR, liberal think tanks in Berkeley and Boston, 80% of the talk show hosts and mainstream media), we will not petition the UN to author yet another resolution – WE WILL RESPOND WITH WAR.
The USA will actually provide a response that will be forever seared in the psyche of ALL the worlds’ citizens. Ask Japan about it. The object lesson will be simple – don’t mess with us again. Ever.
Part of the problem is even under Bush many citizens of the world don’t believe he has the guts to order the final solution. America is too civilized, too insistent on playing by the rules, just too damn goody two shoes about this terrorism thing.
Okay, the towers went down and 3,000 people died. The Euro-weenies, liberals, and UN acknowledge that wasn't very nice, BUT quickly point out it was only 19 disgruntled Muslims. So why punish an entire region for the actions of a few demented individuals? America deserved it anyway! Give peace and diplomacy a real chance.
The short answer is to provide an example to the rest of the world. The long answer is a bit more complex and entails issues like urging diplomacy on one hand while supporting the terrorist cause on the other hand. It’s about choosing sides. It’s about condemning the 1.8m radical Islamic fundamentalists that want to kill all infidels. It is about the President honoring the ONE promise he made that really counts – “I WILL PROTECT, DEFEND, AND PRESERVE THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES.”
So what steps should this country take?
1. Immediately deport all Muslims who are not in this country on a valid visa.
2. Once the current visa expires then those Muslims must leave as well.
3. Cease immediately future issuances of visas to any individual from an Arabic country. The goal is to keep Muslims out. Not even tourist/visitor visas.
4. The Muslims who have become U.S. citizens must be interrogated and considered on a case-by-case basis.
If this seems overly harsh, consider this – would this country tolerate Communists or Nazis openly preaching about taking over and killing all “infidels”?
5. The PC method of security screening MUST stop. Muslim men 18-45 years old have perpetrated 96% of the terrorist attacks on the USA (I can almost hear the liberals screaming “what about Timothy McVeigh?”). Newsflash – he is dead. Back among the living, the Muslim men have been striking the USA since 1979. At what point do they become SUSPECTS instead of PROFILED? It is not racist; it is reality. The U.S. policy should be Muslim Arabic persons MUST undergo intensive security checks at airports, train stations, etc. Maybe expand it to public places such as ballparks, malls, theatres, etc. If “random” checks of other races must be done, continue to do so. But ALL Arabic/Muslims are given the full treatment (luggage search, pat down, questions, etc.) Let THEM spend the extra 2-3 hours getting on the aircraft.
6. Or arrange one flight each day for their use. They fly by themselves. Put four military folks right up near the pilot cockpit armed with machine guns to insure protection.
7. Or, better yet, ban them from commercial transportation – trains, boats, and aircraft. The lone exception is a one-way ticket leaving the USA on a foreign airline (British Airways, etc.).
8. Give serious consideration to opening up detention camps for Muslims in the USA. There is a precedent for this action. FDR did it to the Japanese in WWII. Lincoln also did it during the Civil War to Confederate soldiers. You do what needs to be done to insure survival.
9. Open up more “Gitmo” level prisons to house those individuals that refuse to be deported or are caught hiding with friends or are found that are plotting terror attacks.
10. Broaden the FISA parameters and be very vocal about it. This practice of tapping phone calls, electronic bank transactions, and emails that has an overseas address/destination helped prevent the London aircraft bombing plot (thus far!).
11. Encourage all phone companies to continue providing those call logs to Homeland Security.
12. Strengthen the Patriot Act by weeding out and terminating those employees within the U.S. government who are Clinton Kool-Aid drinkers and subvert the program at every opportunity. It was under Clinton’s watch the intelligence budgets were slashed and walls built up internally to prevent the critical sharing of information between the CIA, FBI, etc. Some of those staffers still work in the bowels of Homeland Security. Root ‘em out.
13. Bush should go on American TV and fully review the above three points. He should finish by challenging the Congress to impeach him for carrying out his sworn duty. He should not run from or ignore their BS threat – he should CALL THEIR BLUFF!
14. The President should go on worldwide television and explain the basics:
a) Any future strike on America or its interests abroad that is the work of Muslim terrorists will result in a warning response from the USA. This includes kidnapping of American citizens, attacks on American businesses or American military. (Warning response is based on how hard the strike on America was. It might be lining up and shooting the occupants of Gitmo, obliterating Mecca and Medina, or using a tactical nuke on Beirut or Damascus.)
b) All Mideast nations have 7 days after the warning response to provide all possible assistance and critical intelligence about who made the strike on America and where they are, as well as any financial or government supporters. Any people who are directly responsible that a nation captures can be handed over to the nearest U.S. Embassy.
c) Failure to provide requested intelligence will warrant a second, more severe response from the USA. (Elimination of a given area – city or maybe country - by nuclear force)
d) A final 3-day period is then allowed for the requested intelligence.
e) If the evidence shows a given country was in any way supporting the terrorist strike, America will not wait until the end of the 7 or 3-day period for immediate retaliation.
f) Failing to provide the requested information will result in the final response. (Eliminating the Muslim problem in the Mideast).
Radical situations require radical solutions.
I doubt the USA would have to go beyond the 2nd step. Quality leads and intelligence on the perpetrators would POUR in.
2. Jesus = God.
3. Therefore, Mary is the mother of __JESUS___.
As you have already answered in #1
Fill in the blank. Please.
Prove she is the mother of God...
Jesus said.."I and the Father are one..."...
He also said..."I am the Son of God"...
Therefore to be a son you have to have a Father... God is that Father... Jesus needed a mother to be born on this earth, Mary was that vessel. God still reigned in Heaven when Jesus was born... God was still in Heaven when Jesus prayed in Gethsemane, so If God himself was on earth, he was praying to himself? Jesus is God incarnate,however the Flesh born from woman was Jesus.
1. Mary is the mother of Jesus (your words)
1. Jesus = God (your words)
3. Therefore, Mary is the Mother of God. (inescapable conclusion)
Thank you for helping demonstrate that Our Lady is the Mother of God.
Well, take off the headscarf, give him a shave, and put him in a suite and he'd fit in just fine. I don't think the terrorists who took out the WTC were all looking straight from Mecca when they boarded the planes did they?
For God to have a mother, that would mean that God has a beginning. And, that there would be another god or godess before Him. Logically. God has made it clear to us in scripture that He is the only God in heaven. So, God doesn't have a Mother. Jesus is an entity of the Triune Godhead, The Father, Son and Holy Spirit. All three are separate in characteristics, but of the same.
Mary is not part of the Trinity, nor is she the way to salvation. Only Jesus can forgive sins and is the only way into heaven....John 14:6 - Jesus answered, "I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me..."
He didn't include Mary... sorry.
Please answer yes or no:
Was Jesus God?
Answer this...:
Was Jesus a Man?
was=is
was=is
Jesus is God in the flesh, to be on earth, he had to be born from a woman. Mary is the mother of Jesus, not God. Jesus is one of the three in the Trinity. God was, and is and will always will be, he DOESN'T HAVE A MOTHER OR NEEDED ONE... Jesus on the other hand needed Mary for sustenance and growth in infancy.
Is the Holy Spirit God? Yes... Who is the Holy Spirit's Mother? God's Spirit was on the earth before Mary was even Born. David, praying to God asked that His Spirit to not be taken from him...
You are disillusioned by the Catholic Church. Cathecism teaches Mary as Gods mother so that you can rely on a mother as an intercessor to plead your case to an angry God to allow you into heaven.. Next lesson... Purgatory, another manner in Mary Worship....
By saying there is a difference between God and Jesus, you're saying that Jesus isn't God.
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