Can a good Muslim be a good American?

A friend who knows | 8/11/2006 | Agent Smith

[isthisnickcool]

Btw, wanna know which religion (or is it a 'race' I get confused) I've been screwed by the most in 36 years, well here's a hint - it has nothing to do with Jesus.

Ah, it's the damn juice eh?

You post really sets off my BS meter.

[cloud8]

> The enemy is militant Islamic fundamentalism, not Islam. The enemy is trying to radicalize the world's 1.2 billion Muslims by making this a religious struggle. In reality, we are tallking about a small radical fringe group, which has been killing more Muslims than anyone else. We play into their hands by demonizing Islam.

I used to believe that the rank-and-file Moslem wanted simply to live in peace, same as anyone else. Most of us used to believe that. We were taught tolerance, live and let live, and above all freedom of religion as guaranteed by the first amendment. We were even taught that God and Allah were the same deity! How could anyone who has been on the face of this earth for the last five years still retain such a Dhimmi attitude? While Islam is a faith system of sorts, it is rooted in blood and barbarity, with its rank-and-file bent to submission, particularly women. Islam is an ideology whose goal is world domination under sharia law. Treat a snake with Christian love, my friend, it's going to bite you anyway.

[oldbrowser]

You think billions of dollars in pencil pushing paper shufflers in the government are as valuable as one person who lives in the community and speaks the language?

that is the key. You can't bomb an idea out of existence, you will only drive it underground.

It's the "hearts and minds" thing. You have to convert some who will convert others, until the concept of radical islam is discredited among the muslims.

Then the muslims will police their own.

[sinkspur]

I am not a Catholic, but I have absolutely no problem with the Catholic belief that I am damned for not being part of what they determine "the true church".

Except that Catholics do not believe that sincere believers of other faiths are damned. While Catholicism expresses the fullness of God's revelation, those revealed truths are also part of other religious expressions as well, though not in the same way.

[durasell]

Holy crap!

[ClearBlueSky]

You seek out and destroy a whole religion if it's anti-humanity, anti-life, brutal, barbaric, seeks to take the world back to the 12th century and its 'holy marching orders' are completely incompatible with the idea of tolerance.
Would you defend cannabilism as a 'religion'?

We can't afford to go on treating the symptoms of Islam. Where has that gotten humanity as of today? That's like treating the lesions of an AIDS patient and not the AIDS itself.
It's PAST time to remove the disease that is Islam from the human race.

[piston]

Seems to me there are only three options:

Conversion
Deportation
Internment

[wita]

In the case of Japanese that was not the case initially, thay had to fight long and hard for the right to do it. We might add, they were not interred because their religion was against everything our nation stood for, but their nationality, and the international goals of Japan. There was not a lot of logic applied to the internment, but it was thought to be a necessity of war, and war causes lots of such decisions to be made. Eventually, when survival isn't the guiding light, things work out.

[tiger63]

What is so hard to understand about muslims wanting to kill us and western civilization.

These young good British born muslims caught yesterday are no less dangerous that the young good American born muslims waiting to kill somthing here!
If we don't get them out of here what can you expect?

[bordergal]

The kids who were just arrested on terrorism charges in Ohio were on the local High School football team.
The usual, "nice boys". Another "nice boy" born and raised in the US was just convicted when he joined in an attempt to assassinate Bush. The "nice boys" in Britian wanted to kill about 5000 infidels by blowing up their planes. The "nice muslim man" working at Heathrow airport security wanted to help them do so.

As Mohammed said, war is deceit.

Just take a look at countries where muslims are becoming a significant part of the population. Look at their group behavior. 40% of Muslims in the UK openly admit their desire to have Sharia law for everyone.

No more muslim immigration. Monitor every mosque. No more out of country Imans, no more funding from the Middle East. Strip American citizenship and deport anyone who supports terrorist organizations. The death penalty for anyone who plots terror attacks on US soil.

[frogjerk]

Except that Catholics do not believe that sincere believers of other faiths are damned. While Catholicism expresses the fullness of God's revelation, those revealed truths are also part of other religious expressions as well, though not in the same way.

Well stated and well said!

[farmer18th]

Historically, Christianity has not exactly been free from spawning persecution, wars, death, and destruction.

North America before Christianity: live human sacrifice, infanticide, poverty.

North America after Christianity: peace, industry, prosperity, freedom.

[Aquinasfan]

we are tallking about a small radical fringe group

The history of the spread of Mohammedanism is conquest and conversion at the point of a sword. 90% of all armed conflicts in the world today are around the perimeter of the Mohammedan world.

[highball]

You are right, and that is the only reason that I would not want them all thrown into the gas chambers and ovens.

Despicable.

You have shown your true colors, and they are un-American.

[WV Mountain Mama]

bookmark for later

[LachlanMinnesota]

Mulims are allowed to lie to the infidel, and this applies also to citizenship oaths.

[World'sGoneInsane]

I think you have extremist confused with "good."

There are extremists in everything. Look at that Christian extremist protesting at military funerals. Do you consider him a "good" Christian. I don't. Terrorists are like a muslim cult! Bush was right to specify Islam Facists. It separates the good from the bad.

[Ace of Spades]

So why not D) Extermination? It's just a short jump to there, right?

[kabar]

The NAZIS murdered a lot of folks. The US and other countries killed NAZIS until that stopped. The NAZIS did not just happen to pop up one day and have the power to kill a whole group of people. They worked very hard to obtain that power then use it in the most evil of ways.

The Nazis singled out Jews for special treatment and killed 6 million on the basis of their religion. Most of the Germans who carried out Hitler's orders were Christians.

[Beckwith]

Muslims don't care about oaths, especially ones given to infidels. The following question regarding oath-taking by Muslims was taken from the website, "Ask the Imam." It begins with the premise that to become an American citizen, one must take the oath of allegiance, then the oath and then the the Imam's answer to the questioner's inquiry.

To become a citizen of US one has to take an oath of allegiance. Is it ok for me to take the oath?

The oath of allegiance is as follows: I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God. They also ask on the citizenship form the following questions: If the law requires it, are you willing to bear arms on behalf of US? If the law requires it, are you willing to perform noncombatant service in the US Armed Forces? If the law requires it, are you willing to perform work of national importance under civilian direction? My question is can we answer yes to these questions? is there anything wrong in doing that. what should the answer be: yes or no? could you please kindly give an urgent answer. jazakallah. Answer 8471 2003-04-25

As Muslims, we are duty bound to follow our lives strictly according to Shari’ah. Whatever Shari’ah allows us to do, we will abide by that and whatever Shari’ah has restricted us from, we will refrain from it. Hence, we are not allowed to obey anybody if it is resulting in the disobedience of the Creator, Allah. Nabi (Sallallaahu Alayhi Wasallam) said, ‘There is no obedience for the creation by disobeying the Creator.’ (Mirqaat vol.7 pg.217; Imdadiyyah).

Hence, keeping this in mind if one is forced to sign the above in order to become a citizen or the only way of attaining citizenship is by acknowledging the above, then one may sign it with the intention that Shari’ah and Deen will always be his yardstick and that he will never sacrifice any of the teachings of Deen.

and Allah Ta'ala Knows Best

Mufti Ebrahim Desai

Ask the Imam