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$40,000 numbskulls ( How Today's Colleges Indoctrinate instead of Educate )
WorldNetdaily.com ^ | 08/02/2006 | Prof. Walter Williams

Posted on 08/02/2006 2:06:53 PM PDT by SirLinksalot

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To: prion

Actually, there are a lot of degrees out there that would DQ you, were I in hiring manager mode. Ethnic Studies, Womyn's Studies, possibly English in today's world (the moonbats are pretty bad in the English departments), etc.


41 posted on 08/03/2006 4:51:12 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: FreedomPoster

As a newspaper editor-in-chief, my best editor was a physics major/math minor (who has become an editor-in-chief herself). Better grammar skills than most journalism majors, plus good analytical skills to see what was really really happening in a story.

But I have also known excellent English majors and journalism majors. I hate disqualification of candidates based on arbitrary rules.


42 posted on 08/03/2006 4:58:47 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: shezza

'zactly.


43 posted on 08/03/2006 4:59:09 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: SirLinksalot
Somebody is going to fix all this, and make a large number of fortunes.

A college that does not indoctrinate, has no tolerance for nonsense, maintains standards, does not use tenure, is run for the students not as a playground for the professors - could easily charge just half what the lowest price places charge today and give anyone serious about their life a higher quality education.

This can't be that hard to start. Nor to "chain". It would be run for profit and would get a $10 billion market cap in no time.

44 posted on 08/03/2006 5:06:53 AM PDT by JasonC
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To: Gondring

DQ is probably too harsh, on the English major (but not on the others mentioned). More like "a strike until careful interviewing shows it should be removed".


45 posted on 08/03/2006 5:57:30 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Guns themselves are fairly robust; their chief enemies are rust and politicians) (NRA)
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To: gth833s

The old saw goes that "Doctors bury their mistakes, engineers build monuments to them."


46 posted on 08/03/2006 6:05:21 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: MikefromOhio
I'm trying to be an engineer. I don't notice such things anyway :)

With your math stopping at Linear Algebra???! You're getting off far easier than I did.

47 posted on 08/03/2006 6:07:15 AM PDT by sauropod (Giving money and power to government is like giving whiskey and car keys to teenage boys." PJO)
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To: redpoll

I doubt whether these "honor" students could pass a 1950 high-school graduation examination.
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The first time I heard something like this I thought that it could not possibly be true but now I am beginning to see that it is true for far too many college graduates. I entered the Navy in 1962 and went through boot camp with a group of high school graduates who made most of the young people I meet now seem totally ignorant of anything to do with government, history, literature or almost anything else other then the fad of the moment. Try asking them just to name the three branches of government and see how many can do so, I learned that at such an early age that I cannot tell you when I didn't know it. It is no wonder that people keep falling for socialist schemes, they have no idea how this country came into being or what it was originally intended to be.


48 posted on 08/03/2006 7:33:20 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: the invisib1e hand

Well, I don't think it's that easy to avoid these days. The stuff is so pervasive, the subconcious indoctrination seeps in, even while we mock the overt stuff as being over the top. I'm concerned more with the steady creep of this stuff than the outrageous stuff...many decent kids can laugh off the latter without realizing their mindsets are slowly changing, even as they follow their studies diligently.

Living in a culture where deviancy is normalized can be very influential.


49 posted on 08/03/2006 7:33:38 AM PDT by Gondring (If "Conservatives" now want to "conserve" our Constitution away, then I must be a Preservative!)
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To: prion

Part of the problem is that a bachelor's degree has become mandatory for all sorts of jobs that really shouldn't require it. You can understand why companies do this; a degree at least shows the individual is able to function in an absurd hierarchical organization for several years without going howling insane, but it's a lousy reason to start young people out with tens of thousands in debt.
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Quick, run for the swamps, you are liable to be imprisoned for telling that much truth at one swipe.


50 posted on 08/03/2006 7:36:04 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: Veto!

I had a heck of a time hiring an editorial assistant. The candidates with degrees from big-name universities could not pass our easy spelling and grammar test.

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While someone such as I, who might have been able to pass it, would never be given a chance to take it due to my lack of a degree, not to mention age.


51 posted on 08/03/2006 7:43:01 AM PDT by RipSawyer (Does anybody still believe this is a free country?)
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To: the invisib1e hand
For that you could have spend $20 on Father Guido Sarducci's Five Minute University:

I find that education, it don't matter where you go to school, Italy, America, Brazil, all are the same -- it's all this memorization and it don't matter how long you can remember anything just so you can parrot it back for the tests.

I got this idea for a school I would like to start, something called the Five Minute University. The idea is that in five minutes you learn what the average college graduate remembers five years after he or she is out of school.

It would cost like twenty dollars. That might seem like a lot of money, twenty dollars just for five minutes, but that's for like tuition, cap and gown rental, graduation picture, snacks, everything. Everything included.

You know, like in college you have to take a foreign language. Well, at the Five Minute University you can have your choice, any language you want you can take it. Say if you want to take Spanish, what I teach you is "¿Como está usted?" that means, "how are you", and the answer is "muy bien," means "very well." And believe me, if you took two years of college Spanish, five years after you are out of school "¿Como está usted?" and "muy bien" about all you're gonna remember.

So in my school that's all you learn. You see, you don't have to waste your time with conjugations and vocabulary, all that junk. You'll just forget it anyway, what's the difference.

Economics? "Supply and Demand." That's it. Business is, "you buy something, and you sell it for more." Theology, I'm gonna have a theology department, you know, since I'm a priest, and what you have to learn in theology is the answer to the question, "Where is God?", and the answer is, "God is everywhere." Why? "Because he likes you." That's kind of a combination of the Disney and Roman Catholic philosophy. It's just perfect for the late 70s or early 80s you know, just perfect.

Well, after the courses are all over, then it's time for a little Easter vacation. No time to go to Fort Lauderdale, only lasts for like twenty seconds. But what I'll do for you, I like to turn on the sun lamp you know, give you a little glass of orange juice, that's for the snack part, orange juice, and then after vacation it's time for the final exams. I say to you, "¿Como está usted?" you say "muy bien," "Where is God?" "God is everywhere," Economics, "supply and demand," then you put on a cap and a gown, I get out my Polaroid camera, you know, make a little snap flash picture for you, I give you the picture, you give me twenty dollars, I give you a diploma, and you're a college graduate, ready to go.

I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure, right next door to the five minute university, I might open up a little law school. You got another minute?

52 posted on 08/03/2006 7:45:39 AM PDT by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: sauropod

That's just the GECs :)


53 posted on 08/03/2006 7:59:58 AM PDT by MikefromOhio (aka MikeinIraq)
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To: Philistone

I thought they already had colleges like that... you send in your application fee they send you your diploma...


54 posted on 08/03/2006 9:33:18 AM PDT by gth833s
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To: SirLinksalot
i have a liberal friend who is further indoctrinating her self at Williams college... 40k a year... guess what she wants to do after 4 years (160k) of that education....

she wants to become a social worker..........
55 posted on 08/03/2006 9:40:09 AM PDT by gth833s
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To: MikefromOhio
When I went to school for computer science, I only had a few teachers that knew the languages or techiques beyond the taught materials. And since I was writting software sinec I was 11, I just continued learning on my own using their hardware. The first university I attended, a very large school in PA, the head of the computer science department did not know the term 'articial inteligence'... in 1985. He was the head of the department! It only gets worse after that.

My advice... Choose you school carefully. If you have a chance to go up and visit the campus before attending, do it... and talk with the professors in the field you wish study. If they seem like they are just marking time and have no passion about the field, you really won't learn anything from them.

56 posted on 08/03/2006 9:54:59 AM PDT by sten
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To: RipSawyer

I don't know how old you are, but I would certainly have interviewed and tested anyone who might have written a cogent cover letter. I knew that resumes were prepared by professionals. I ended up hiring a black fellow in his early 50s because he aced the tests, had a good background in a similar field, and was as bright and personable as they come. His degree from a good university was not the determining factor.


57 posted on 08/04/2006 9:52:18 AM PDT by Veto! (Opinions freely dispensed as advice)
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