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Yes, I'm thanking Ross. Now I didn't support Ross in his run in 1992 or 1996, and yes, I think we got Clinton because of him.

But it was Ross Perot who led the opposition to NAFTA, along with Pat Buchanan. Famously Gore "defeated" (in the lying-eyes of the legacy media) Ross Perot who argued the "Hell No" position on NAFTA.

It is my considered opinion that had not Perot and Buchanan mounted as loud an opposition as they did we would have NAFTA as a treaty. Because of the opposition they focused we ended up with only an "agreement". That is just more bad laws that are *not* the equal or slightly subordiate (depending on who's arguments on this thread you prefer) to the US Constitution, but rather just more bad crappy laws, like the other few thousand our brave citizen-legislatures have saddled us with in the last 50 years.

For that he deserves thanks.

Ya know, Jack, when you look back at those two, Buchanan was nothing but a Nixon speech writer and Perot became a billionaire by building a Federal Milking Machine to milk LBJ's blank check to the nation's Doctors and computer administrators through Medicare, like Ross Perot's EDS.

Now as I look back on their "Reform Party" effort, I see a third pathetic party in the form of Jesse Ventura. Jesse stirred up his fellow actor in the "Predator" movie (Arnold Schwartzenegger) who now has totally screwed up the CAGOP and is binding CA's future in a mammoth bondage scheme!

Now Jack... I find NOTHING conservative, or enlightened in the history, or behaviors of ANY of these egomaniacle clowns. And I certain put NO stock in ANY of their theories or actions!!! To me, you are idolizing the wrong dudes somehow!!!