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To: Pharmboy
You contradict yourself within these sentences: once you bring "groups" in, you're talking about collective and not individual responsibility. So, on this point of denying what you're doing and then DOING it, I say you are full of it.

Not really. Have you ever read the Old Testament? Remember the generations after the fact who suffer the consequences of actions made by their forefathers? As much as I believe in individual responsibility, there is collective responsibility as well. We can be punished collectively, not necessarily for things we do, but, for the things we do not do too. God has punished collective groups for the actions or inactions of that groups forefathers.

But that is really beside the point here. You acknowledge Norman Tuttle when all along I have been saying the same thing. And I do not think when I use the phrase "vitriolic tirade" in describing Gibson's action that that is defending him. Do you?

My point of interest was to get at the reasons why he let himself go. Getting "drunk" was just the courage to do it. I want to know why he feels that way. There is more to this than meets the eye. Even the mainstream will not expose the details of the report, only that he said something deeming him anti-semetic.

Remember, he took flak about the Passion. But, we really do not know how much. Was it enough to break him under the influence when arrested? These are just questions I was trying to answer with conjecture.

Also, I have CLEARLY drawn lines of demarcation as to WHO EXACTLY in the Jewish community is causing the real danger to you and your family. You try so hard to lable me a bigot just because of what? My disdain for those in your group that have the power to influence the thoughts and minds of so many people? That does not make me a bigot. Remember, I am the gentile here. I am the downtrodden. And you say I am a danger to you? That, dear Sir is neither the truth nor reality.

Look, I believe I have made my intent very clear without stooping to the lows of bigotry. Others have acknowledge and see it as well as I. Are they bigots too? At what point can we gentiles even say anything remotely of the truth of the evil perpetrated from your group without being labeled a bigot?

You know, it just dawned on me...it does not even matter...why should it? A house divided against itself cannot stand. Israel will stand when its knees bow and its tongue confesses that Jesus is the Christ.

Good day Sir, and God bless.

Arrowhead>>>---confusion-->

P.S. If you ever need me in your foxhole, you can count on me.

483 posted on 07/30/2006 2:16:06 PM PDT by Arrowhead
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To: Arrowhead

Well, if it all comes down to the Jews accepting The Christ as the true Messiah, then we will, I'm afraid, go down as many generations before us have done (other than the Jews for Jesus, that is).


487 posted on 07/30/2006 3:01:51 PM PDT by Pharmboy (Democrats lie because they must)
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