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Real estate brokers in the hot seat
CNN.com ^ | 7-26-06 | Les Christie

Posted on 07/27/2006 5:37:21 AM PDT by Hydroshock

NEW YORK (CNNMoney.com) -- The fight over competition in the real estate industry went to a new battlefield this week as representatives of consumer groups, brokers and government agencies clashed before a House subcommittee.

Few participants pulled any punches.

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Steven Brobeck, executive director of the Consumers Federation of America, told the subcommittee on Housing and Community Opportunity that the real estate business model is a "cockamamie system . . . nonsensical and ridiculous."

Among Brobeck's beefs: He claims prices are rarely advertised, that restrictive state laws and anti-competitive practices prevent consumers from getting discount service, and that there are roadblocks to securing key product information through the Internet.

Aaron Farmer, a discount broker in Texas, described how full-service brokers discriminate against discounters: They refuse to show discounters' listings, Farmer said; pressure home magazines to not accept advertising; and refuse to allow discount brokers' clients to view home listings full-commission brokers control. They even destroy for-sale signs.

The full-service brokerage industry, as represented by the National Association of Realtors (NAR), has fought to maintain the status quo. In nine states, for example, there are minimum-service laws that effectively force all agents to provide full service - discounters would otherwise be willing to offer limited services and charge home sellers much less than the traditional 6-percent commission. There is move to pass such a law in Michigan.

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1 posted on 07/27/2006 5:37:21 AM PDT by Hydroshock
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No way is the work done by the average Realtor worth the 3 to 6% of the value of the house they demand. It is a racket.
2 posted on 07/27/2006 5:42:48 AM PDT by DB (©)
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To: DB

I could not agree more.


3 posted on 07/27/2006 5:48:54 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: DB
No way is the work done by the average Realtor worth the 3 to 6% of the value of the house they demand. It is a racket.

In the past they have justified the 6% commissions on the basis of the high cost of advertising.

The internet has changed all that.

As with other business sectors, they are being dragged into the 21st century kicking and screaming.


BUMP

4 posted on 07/27/2006 5:51:51 AM PDT by capitalist229 (Get Democrats out of our pockets and Republicans out of our bedrooms.)
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To: Hydroshock

The full service brokers remind me of the RIAA and the discount guys are music download industry.

The selling model is changing in favor of discount brokers or at least reduced fees from all involved yet the Realtors want to fight it tooth and nail to preserve their "established" fees.


5 posted on 07/27/2006 5:55:02 AM PDT by Rb ver. 2.0
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The real estate business model is a "cockamamie system . . . nonsensical and ridiculous."

6% charge for smoke and mirrors? No thanks.

6 posted on 07/27/2006 5:56:48 AM PDT by Drango (A liberal's compassion is limited only by the size of someone else's wallet.)
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I would never again use a full service 6% broker. Never.


7 posted on 07/27/2006 6:01:27 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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To: DB

No .. you've got it all wrong. What we need is a "Living Wage" law for all real estate brokers, where every home owner in America is required to move once every 4 years, and they must pay a broker a minimum of 6% (2% of which will go to the federal government to be used to pay Real Estate Brokers who don't make enough themselves to place in the top 50% nationwide.) That way, everyone can be above average, and the problem is solved.

Hooray... the government has saved us again.......


8 posted on 07/27/2006 6:01:39 AM PDT by tcostell (MOLON LABE)
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No way is the work done by the average Realtor worth the 3 to 6% of the value of the house they demand. It is a racket

You may have strong feelings about it but at least get your facts right. The average Realtor only gets 3-2.5%, the other half going to the buyers agent. Most brokerages get 40% of a Realtors 3-2.5%. The rule of thumb on that final amount is 10% spent for marketing on a listing/or gas for buyers(I had a buyer once I showed 80 homes to). This if before taxes, malpractice insurance, and all the fee's Realtors pay.

I think the problem is it only takes $300, a class, and a high school degree to become a Realtor. You get a lot of riff raff handling major moves in peoples lives.

Selling/buying a home is complex, labor intensive and requires a lot of work. I've don't many jobs, including real estate, and the most stressful by far is real estate.
9 posted on 07/27/2006 6:02:18 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go too farrrrrr")
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To: Hydroshock

Sorry you feel that way, all my past clients write me love letters.


10 posted on 07/27/2006 6:03:36 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go too farrrrrr")
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To: Drango
Smoke and mirrors

If you knew the monthly cost of my marketing plans for my clients you would probably reconsider that statement.
11 posted on 07/27/2006 6:05:03 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go too farrrrrr")
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To: Rb ver. 2.0
One other thing. The MLS was created and is maintained by Realtors. So please don't compare it to the RIAA.

If you're so hot under the collar, go start up your own MLS.
12 posted on 07/27/2006 6:07:56 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go too farrrrrr")
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I have used realtors twice, all tehy did was throw the listing on MLS and try to shaft my fmaily. Never again.


13 posted on 07/27/2006 6:08:42 AM PDT by Hydroshock ( (Proverbs 22:7). The rich ruleth over the poor, and the borrower is servant to the lender.)
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Well I'm sorry to hear that, what happened?(be back in about 15 minutes)


14 posted on 07/27/2006 6:09:42 AM PDT by Vision ("...cause those liberal freaks go too farrrrrr")
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To: Hydroshock
Nation-wide MLS. Find a house anywhere in the U.S.
15 posted on 07/27/2006 6:10:42 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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Caveat emptor. You have to do some legwork to find out what is going on in a competitive industry.


16 posted on 07/27/2006 6:16:23 AM PDT by Slip18
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To: Vision
Our agent showed us over 80 houses when we moved to Maine nine years ago. Patient, witty and humorous, she is now a social friend. She has sold one of our friends some investment property and is in the process now of doing the same for another.

Now this good experience is counter-balanced by the filthy sharks that make up the Cape Cod (and Massachusetts) Realtors.

All in all, I'd say that real estate is just like any business in that it takes all kinds, good, bad and indifferent.

Caveat emptor still applies.

17 posted on 07/27/2006 6:20:10 AM PDT by metesky ("Brethren, leave us go amongst them." Rev. Capt. Samuel Johnston Clayton - Ward Bond- The Searchers)
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To: Vision

Why does the listing agent make so much? Have they talked someone into selling their house? All the sellers I know looked up an agent to sell their house because they wanted something else. Selling is a regular market, only the lister is solicited.

My beef is the listing agent's commission. Please explain why the listing should make anything beyond a flat rate. Please explain why flat rates should not be used in real estate sales.

I'm a former commission only salesman and am now self-employed. Therefore, I believe the real pay should go to the person who makes something happen, not someone who passes along the buck. I was never paid a percentage. I was paid a varying commission set by the seller. Is there something wrong with that?


18 posted on 07/27/2006 6:20:37 AM PDT by Loud Mime ("Countdown": A documentary about Keith Olbermann's dwindling IQ.....)
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To: DB
"No way is the work done by the average Realtor worth the 3 to 6% of the value of the house they demand. It is a racket.",p>This is the same type of scam Lawyers have perpetrated:

" tort lawyers charging standard contingency fees of 1/3 to 50% even in cases where liability is clear, damages are substantial, and the lawyer knew at the outset that she, in all likelihood, would earn windfall fees of thousands of dollars an hour."

There's no way to reign in these fees, because Lawyers control the ENTIRE legal process in their own best interests. No competition is allowed, and you'll never find a Lawyer who will sue Lawyers under a RICO complaint, or, even if one did, no Lawyer who has become a Judge would allow them to win the case AGAINST one of his fellow Lawyers....

19 posted on 07/27/2006 6:25:28 AM PDT by traditional1
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To: Vision
I always wondered when real estate agents took vacations? When they are in escrows, who's to take their place?

BTW, the last two homes in So. Cal. I used the broker, not an agent. One was 2-1/2 percent and the other 3 percent.

You just can't give your money to a real estate agent "friend."

20 posted on 07/27/2006 6:25:51 AM PDT by Slip18
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