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Divers find Hitler's aircraft carrier
timesonline ^ | 27 July 06 | Roger Boyes

Posted on 07/26/2006 3:36:44 PM PDT by saganite

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To: saganite; sheik yerbouty; Yehuda; dennisw
POLISH divers have discovered the rusting wreckage of Nazi Germany’s only aircraft carrier, the Graf Zeppelin, solving one of the most enduring maritime riddles...

What/where is the Hezbollah navy.

61 posted on 07/26/2006 7:27:06 PM PDT by Thinkin' Gal (As it was in the days of NO...)
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To: SAMWolf
Sorry SAM, but no way.

In August 1939, Europa was about to enter the Atlantic on what was destined to be her last passenger crossing for some time, when she received orders to return to Bremerhaven, blacked out, and with radio silence. She offloaded her passengers, and then in a few days, World War II began. She was painted in gray, and was used as a permanently stationed accommodation ship for the German Navy.

In 1940, she sailed to Hamburg, just as was done with the Bremen, to be converted for use in Operation Sea Lion. The plan was ultimately abandoned, and Europa was returned to Bremerhaven. Unlike her sister, the Bremen, who was destroyed by fire, the Europa survived to see the United States forces reach her, despite Nazi orders to sink her at her pier. Inside Europa, there were signs of troopship conversion, but for voyages that were never made. In the end, she ended up being put under the U.S. flag, and was designated AP-177, the USS Europa.

She was repaired, and later dry-docked in New York Harbor before officially beginning her trooping service. She could carry up to 4,300 people with 900 crew. However, it was not exactly a great service. She was plagued by small fires caused by the Germans' removing her high-quality fittings, and replacement by inferior items as their war effort began to regress and they ran into material shortages. Even worse, serious hull cracks were uncovered, and that worried authorities regarding safety. Thus the Europa ended her troop ship service, and was handed over to the reparations commission in early 1946. The Europa ended up going to the French, who had the biggest need for a passenger liner after they lost the Normandie in New York Harbor in 1942. It was thought that with the proper modifications, the Europa could be made to appear French...

The Classic Liners of Long Ago

62 posted on 07/26/2006 7:57:01 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: SAMWolf
Ok, now I see what you did. You made me do some research though-I was thinking "I know I never paid much attention to the Atlantic, but how the hell could I have never heard of this"?
63 posted on 07/26/2006 8:00:24 PM PDT by GATOR NAVY
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To: LukeL; ChadGore

Seriesly, Shouldn't that be Hugh Manatee?


64 posted on 07/26/2006 8:02:28 PM PDT by MrEdd (Any gun owner who votes for a democrat is too stupid to own a gun.)
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65 posted on 07/26/2006 9:32:14 PM PDT by wolficatZ (sharks like trolls..________\0/____/|_______..)
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To: Southack
It had all of its anti-aircraft guns on the starboard side, too

Hmmmm, post 35 seems to show guns on the "other" starboard side - known sometimes as the port side. (Or is my naval parlance confused or are those guns not "anti-aircraft" guns?)

66 posted on 07/28/2006 6:31:07 AM PDT by TexasRedeye (Eschew obfuscation)
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They're starboard -- the ship is sailing toward you in the photo. It looks like they were designed to train in any direction, although firing the forward guns at a target directly astern would have made life interesting on the bridge.


67 posted on 07/28/2006 7:41:44 AM PDT by Gumlegs
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To: saganite
Click here for some sonar pictures of Graf Zeppelin.
68 posted on 07/28/2006 11:41:55 AM PDT by macel
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To: saganite
One of my favorite poem lines is:

The calm is on the water,
and part of us would linger by the shore.
For ships are safe in harbor,
But that's not what ships are for.

If a ship is too valuable to risk, it is of no value as a warship. If I recall the history of the Bismarck, there were similar problems that the Nazis feared losing it too much to use it. Although it sank the Hood, the (german equivalent) Admiral, was attempting to run from the confrontation, and the captain finally more or less told the admiral he was fighting, as he would not be sunk running away, and that the adminal might accidentally fall overboard if he didn't allow the ship to defend itself.

This sounds like the same thing. Others study WWII history far more than me, but I think we were fortunate that the Germans did not use their large naval vessels as effectively as they could have.

69 posted on 07/28/2006 12:08:02 PM PDT by Richard Kimball
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To: namsman

Navy ping!


70 posted on 07/28/2006 12:50:52 PM PDT by SW6906 (6 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, horsepower, guns and ammunition.)
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