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To: Fitzcarraldo

Here's an excerpt from Jerusalem Post:

Criticism has been heard in the army on the hurried way that some of the forces were sent into the village. The Egoz force was sent in daylight by a route that exposed them to Hizbullah, and some of the tanks operating in the area weren't properly protected.

On Sunday a makeshift workshop had been set up on the old border road next to Moshav Avivim, where technical teams were attaching huge steel plates underneath Merkava tanks to protect them from explosive devices like the one that had killed four soldiers during the first hours of the kidnapping that began the conflict 12 days ago.

"That's the way it works, you learn from mistakes" said the chief of one of the technical crews. Not only ground devices worried the tank crews. A tank driver from Brigade 7 resting at the side of the road after his tank had left Lebanon said that "many of our tanks took hits, mainly from Sagger rockets; none of the tanks were destroyed but quite a few of our friends were wounded."

OC Northern Command Maj.-Gen. Udi Adam said at a briefing at Northern Command on Sunday that "the force in Maroun Al-Ras came across opposition that necessitated additional back-up and a paratrooper force professionally took control of the village."

http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite?cid=1153291981228&pagename=JPost%2FJPArticle%2FShowFull


59 posted on 07/23/2006 11:21:38 PM PDT by conservativepoet
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To: conservativepoet

In an operation like this, there is going to have to be some probing of your enemies defenses. Unfortunately, you can end up get hit with some strong resistence at first.

I'm sure the IDF will adapt and overcome any weakness in their plans.


61 posted on 07/23/2006 11:27:05 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: conservativepoet

AT-3 SAGGER Anti-Tank Guided Missile
Hongjian (Red Arrow)-73

Specifications
Alternative Designations Malyutka Complex
Launching Platforms Manpack
BMD
BMP
BRDM/BRDM-2
Mi-8 Hip
Mi-24 Hind
Date of Introduction 1963
Proliferation At least 45 countries, including: Former Soviet Republics, Afghanistan, Algeria, Angola, Bulgaria, Czechoslovakia, Cuba, Egypt, Ethiopia, Hungary, Iraq, India, North Korea, Libya, Mozambique, Poland, Romania, Syria, Uganda, Vietnam, Yugoslavia, Zambia.
Description  
Crew 3
Primary Mount Ground mount on "suitcase" launcher
Alternate Mounts Rail on BMP-1, BMD-1, BRDM, BRDM-2 etc.
Weight Overall, Excluding Missile (kg) 30.5 launcher + guidance
Length Overall in Firing Position (m) 0.86 with AT-3/a/b/c
1.02 with Malyutka-2
Height Overall In Firing Position (m) INA
Width Overall In Firing Position (m) INA
ARMAMENT  
Launcher Name 9P111 Case launcher
Launch Method Rail on case
Elevation (°) Fixed for launcher
Rate of Launch (missiles/min) 2
Reaction Time (sec) INA
Emplacement Time (min) 1.7 POLK set
Displacement Time (min) INA
Ready/Stowed Missiles 4/0, 3/0 POLK set
FIRE CONTROL  
FCS Name 9S415/9S415M/9S415M1 guidance panel
Guidance MCLOS (9S415/-M panel), SACLOS
Command Link Wire
Beacon Type Incandescent infrared bulb (SACLOS)
Tracker Type N/A for MCLOS, flare tracker for SACLOS
Susceptible To Countermeasures EO jammers, smoke, counterfire
Counter-countermeasures Offset guidance panel, laser filters
Rangefinder INA
Frequency INA
Counter-countermeasures INA
Sights w/Magnification  
Gunner  
Day 9Sh16, 8x
Field of View (°) 22.5
Acquisition Range (m) 4000
Night Available
Field of View (°) N/A
Acquisition Range (m) N/A
AMMUNITION  
Antitank Guided Missiles  
Name AT-3, -3a, -3b/SAGGER
Alternative Designations Malyutka, Malyutka-M
Missile Weight (kg) 10.9
Warhead Type Shaped Charge (HEAT)
Armor Penetration (mm) 400
Minimum/Maximum Range (m) 500/3,000
Probability of Hit (%) 70 against moving tanks
Average Velocity (m/s) 115
Time of Flight to Max Range (sec) 26
Name AT-3c/SAGGER
Alternative Designations Malyutka-P
Missile Weight (kg) 11.4
Warhead Type Shaped Charge (HEAT)
Armor Penetration (mm) 520
Minimum/Maximum Range (m) 500/3,000
Probability of Hit (%) 90 (SACLOS)
Average Velocity (m/s) 115
Time of Flight to Max Range (sec) 26
Name Malyutka-2
Alternative Designations Malyutka (Modernized)
Missile Weight (kg) 12.5
Warhead Type Tandem Shaped Charge (HEAT)
Armor Penetration (mm) 800
Minimum/Maximum Range (m) 500/3,00
Probability of Hit (%) 90 (SACLOS)
Average Velocity (m/s) 130
Time of Flight to Max Range (sec) 23
Other Missiles Malyutka (Modernized) HE, AT-3c Imp, POLK

64 posted on 07/23/2006 11:38:37 PM PDT by bruinbirdman ("Those who control language control minds. " - Ayn Rand)
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To: conservativepoet

I have seen reports on Israel's military that make me think that when the ground forces, even grunts, complain about strategy or equipment, they get a lot more attention from the brass then even our military. Israel has an excellent military from privates to generals though and I'm praying for them.


352 posted on 07/24/2006 7:57:51 AM PDT by DungeonMaster (More and more churches are nada scriptura.)
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