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To: LibertarianInExile

Your point is correct. The solution, however is not to think exclusively as the cops being the problem. They are only part of the problem, another part is citizens (the cops customers) who are uninvolved except when something scarey happens. I taught my officers that they are accountable for their actions, both to me, and more importantly to the public. I know it looks different from the "outside" but I assure you that you WILL end up with problems if you sit on the sidelines and take cheap shots when it's convenient/entertaining. If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem. Engage, demand transparency through your elected officials, not only when there is a crisis, but all the time.

BTW, the feds are far worse than the locals. I used to give the Feebies fits because I wouldn't roll over and do whatever they asked.


62 posted on 07/19/2006 10:08:11 AM PDT by oneolcop (Don't sit on the sidelines and talk trash.)
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To: oneolcop
The hostility shown on FR to LEOs, Federal, state, and local, stands in glaring contrast with the high and nearly universal esteem in which the Armed Forces are held here. Granted, a lot of the hostility is based on unpopular laws the police must enforce, such as speed traps and seat belt laws, and the increased power law enforcement agencies have been granted by the legislatures, the courts, and Congress, such as warrantless searches and confiscation of property without due process. People should focus on those who pass the laws: legislators and judges.

However, it has been my observation that police officers are more hostile to the public, even law-abiding people, than was the case 20-30 years ago. Many LEOs have an attitude that the entire civilian population, not just in the slums but in middle class areas, are potential criminals and thus two legged scum. Police officers are drawn from the overall population and as a result, the moral decline in that population will be evident in the police force. With lower crime rates and increased public hostility, law enforcement budgets on all levels of government may no longer be the sacred cow they have been since the huge crime wave of the 1960s.

Arrogant and high handed LEOs, unfair laws, and increased government intrusiveness may lead to an anti-police backlash that will weaken law enforcement effectiveness.

72 posted on 07/19/2006 11:00:44 AM PDT by Wallace T.
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To: oneolcop
The solution, however is not to think exclusively as the cops being the problem. They are only part of the problem...
I agree, some cops are a big part of the problem.
If you're not part of the solution, you're part of the problem.
You seem to have a real "Catch 22" going on. I can't get my mind wrapped around your thinking.

BTW, you're starting to read like a shill. I hope I'm wrong.

135 posted on 07/23/2006 12:07:54 PM PDT by philman_36
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To: oneolcop

"Engage, demand transparency through your elected officials, not only when there is a crisis, but all the time."

Absolutely.


144 posted on 07/23/2006 10:46:17 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff, Pence, McQueeg & Bush related?)
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