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To: Scotsman will be Free
I didn't find the statistics that showed the win/loss ratio of fights that cops get into. Try again.

You said "good chance of being murdered". I gave you the statistics for cops killed in the line of duty and a link from that page to a break down of deaths from being shot, stabbed, strangled, etc. Sorry, but you are wrong. Cops are not being killed at a higher rate than they were 30 years ago. There is nothing in the statistics of police deaths to justify intrusive SWAT-type raids because "... 30 years ago when you lost a fight you just ended up with your butt kicked, and pride damaged. Before I retired, every cop knew that if he lost a fight he stood a good chance of being murdered. Times have changed." Time have not changed with respect to the number of cops killed in the line of duty from any cause, be it fights, traffic accidents, or choking on donuts. The numbers are essentially the same, even going down from a blip up in the 1920s and 1970s. In fact, 30 years ago, the number of cops killed in the line of duty was about a little less than twice what it is today and there are more cops on the force today making police duty by far more safe relatively speaking today than 30 years ago.

I notice that you provide nothing to back up your erroneous claim.

133 posted on 07/21/2006 11:52:47 AM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: FreedomCalls

#1. I am not justifying why there are more SWAT teams, I'm trying to explain a rationale for it. There were more cops murdered 30 years ago, and a virtually no SWAT teams. Is there a relation?
#2. Your "choking on donuts" comment reveals your bias.
#3. I said a good chance of being murdered if they lost a fight, not more of a chance of being murdered for any reason. Nor did I say they are being killed at a higher rate than they were 30 years ago. Try a reading comprehension course.
#4. You are a typical bean counter. You look at numbers and have no comprehension as to how they accumulated. You know nothing of what has happened on the street for the past thirty years, but I do.
#5. I'm not justifying anything, but I wonder. Are police deaths down from the seventies, because of the increase of SWAT, more, and better training for the average street cop, or due in part to longer incareceration rates for the violent offenders?
#6. I am not a fan of numerous SWAT teams making "routine" raids. I'm not a fan of screwups or lousy training resulting in the deaths of innocents. I'm not a fan of ignorant people who know nothing about police work looking at some numbers and making sweeping judgements on subjects they have zero knowledge about.
#6. Don't bother responding. You obviously have an ax to grind, and aren't interested in thinking logically.


134 posted on 07/21/2006 6:36:50 PM PDT by Scotsman will be Free
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