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(Toronto) T.O.'s too expensive, dirty, dangerous
The Toronto Sun ^ | Fri, July 14, 2006 | CONNIE WOODCOCK

Posted on 07/14/2006 6:45:36 AM PDT by fanfan

When you live in a small town, a day in the city is a big treat -- all those shops, all those restaurants, all those things to do. Where to begin?

My daughter and I used to visit Toronto once a month for a doctor's appointment and spend the rest of the day wandering around, visiting bookstores, shopping along Bloor Street, eating lunch at a nice restaurant.

But sorry, not anymore. We come and go as fast as we can, not even pausing for lunch.

The thought of spending a day in Toronto "enjoying" myself makes me tired. As for my daughter, it frightens her.

She refuses to walk along the street alone because she's terrified of panhandlers and she's barely comfortable even when I'm walking with her. And frankly, I'm nervous about squeegee people, who seem to be popping up all over the place again. Funny, I thought that was illegal now, but apparently not.

And then there's the dirt, the garbage blowing in the streets, the weeds growing up between the cracks, the general air of neglect.

Let's not even discuss the possibility of being caught in the crossfire of a passing gunfight because although the chances may be slight, they certainly exist and that's not attractive either.

And they wonder, down at city hall, why tourism continues to decrease. Which brings us to the latest insanity from the politicians -- the idea of charging 905 residents more to visit the zoo than 416ers. After all, the logic goes, Toronto residents already pay for the zoo through their property taxes, so let's charge GTA residents more. What are they thinking? Don't they want tourists anymore around here?

One big reason why Toronto's zoo always has a huge deficit is it, like everything else in Toronto, costs too much.

A family of four can easily spend more than $100 for a day at the zoo. Admission alone for two adults and two children comes to $60. Parking costs $8. If you take the TTC, you'll spend $2.75 per adult cash fare (which is what tourists often do) and $1.85 per child one way. And then there's food.

And on top of this, they want to charge 905 residents more?

Hasn't it occurred to anyone that we all contribute to the zoo through our provincial taxes? Heaven only knows they whined long enough before they got those provincial bucks.

But then, this is only the latest in a series of tourism-destroying tactics the city has been indulging in.

Remember last year's $4-million disaster -- the "Toronto Unlimited" slogan, which made absolutely no sense? Remember the contests to see how much better people could do for free?

But that was nothing compared to the complaining from city hall a few weeks ago that tourists aren't paying their parking tickets, Albertans being the cheapest of all. How do you suppose that sort of thing sounds if you're a tourist from Alberta? And what do you think the chances are of you coming back?

Sure, we lose tourists for lots of reasons that can't be controlled -- the strong Canadian dollar, the confusion about passport requirements at the border, the price of gasoline. And Toronto politicians aren't alone in shooting themselves in the foot over tourists. The province is pretty good at it too.

Don't forget the millions they poured into the Toronto production of The Lord of the Rings, which is closing in September after an abbreviated run. Seems not enough people were willing to spend up to $125 a ticket. Wow, what a surprise!

Maybe it's time the zoo and the TTC and everyone else in the tourist business -- hello city hall? -- took a long, hard look at themselves and cut prices. And not just a little bit either.

And while they're at it, they could clean the place up, deep-six the weed spray bylaw, get rid of the street people, stop ticketing out-of-province cars and make it a little more pleasant around here. Then the tourists will come.

It worked for New York City and it can work here.


TOPICS: Canada; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: crime; toronto
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1 posted on 07/14/2006 6:45:38 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: fanfan
T.O.'s too expensive, dirty, dangerous

But the Cowboys signed him anyway.

2 posted on 07/14/2006 6:46:21 AM PDT by dfwgator
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To: GMMAC; Pikamax; Former Proud Canadian; Great Dane; Alberta's Child; headsonpikes; Ryle; ...
Canada ping.

Please send me a FReepmail to get on or off this Canada ping list.

3 posted on 07/14/2006 6:46:39 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: fanfan


"Why you all be sipping on Haterade?"
4 posted on 07/14/2006 6:47:34 AM PDT by Cyclopean Squid (Being That Guy so you don't have to.)
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To: dfwgator; Cyclopean Squid

I posted a football thread?

Who knew?

;-)


5 posted on 07/14/2006 6:48:53 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: fanfan

I remember visiting Toronto for the first time about 25 years ago, and was really impressed how safe and clean the city felt. The last time I was there (about three years ago), I wondered if my memory was playing tricks - the place no longer felt safe (not for any particular reason, mind you), and it was certainly not the clean city I thought I'd remembered.

Your post suggests I'm not going insane (well, insofar as Toronto is concerned anyway!) - so thank you :-).


6 posted on 07/14/2006 6:50:38 AM PDT by Pravious
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The city of my childhood... it has its quaint charm but now its too dangerous and expensive. Its not the Toronto Canadians know so well and it seems like it could care less about visitors. I can just see the slogan: "Toronto: Where Everything Costs More." Wow! That'll kill the city's meal ticket. And you would think City Hall and the Province Of Ontario cares. Hardly. Buhbye Toronto!

(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)

7 posted on 07/14/2006 6:52:34 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: fanfan
Going back 30 years or so, Toronto was a great place for a weekend trip.

Now, don't think many Americans feel very welcome in Canada. I'll spend my money here in America, thanks.

8 posted on 07/14/2006 6:55:09 AM PDT by Kenton
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To: Pravious

Your welcome.

I suspect one is safer in Baghdad than Toronto right now.

There were 4 murders in Toronto again last night.


9 posted on 07/14/2006 6:55:11 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: fanfan
I visited Toronto back in the 70's.
It was a beautiful city, though I thought Ottawa was more so.

After my last experience crossing the border, circa 1994, I will never cross again.
They searched my car, luggage, everything but strip search us.
Never again.
10 posted on 07/14/2006 6:56:55 AM PDT by Vinnie
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To: Kenton

You'd feel comfortable in Ottawa, rural Ontario, and the east coast, or anywhere out west.

Toronto, Montreal and Vancouver are like our blue states.


11 posted on 07/14/2006 6:57:08 AM PDT by fanfan
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To: goldstategop
it has its quaint charm but now its too dangerous and expensive

It has been internationalized by the transnationalists. Coming to, if not already at, American cities near you. Watch what happens in New Orleans.
12 posted on 07/14/2006 7:01:55 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer ("I'm a millionaire thanks to the WTO and "free trade" system--Hu Jintao top 10 worst dictators)
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To: fanfan
Interesting. My wife used to work for a company based out of Toronto and her coworkers said the Toronto was becoming a gay Mecca.
Does anyone know if that's really the case?
13 posted on 07/14/2006 7:03:19 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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That's too bad. I always liked Toronto, the Royal York Hotel and the underground shops.


14 posted on 07/14/2006 7:03:46 AM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (BTUs are my Beat.)
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To: Vinnie
I prefer my native Montreal to Toronto. The island on where I was born has an intimate feel and once you're there, its a familiar sensation of being able to move around. Everything is laid out with French Cartesian exactness and the nightlife and the cuisine give it an Old World ambiance. And after awhile, one completely forgets the presence of a different language. Or as I would say it in Quebecois:

Ou comme je le dirais dans Quebecois: Je préfère mon Montréal natal à Toronto. L'île sur où je suis né a un sens intime et dès que vous êtes là, son une sensation familière d'être capable de bouger autour de. Tout est disposé avec l'exactitude Cartésienne française et la vie des noctambules et la cuisine lui donnent une ambiance de Vieux monde. Et après un moment, un oublie completement la présence d'une différente langue.

(The Palestinian terrorist regime is the crisis and Israel's fist is the answer.)

15 posted on 07/14/2006 7:05:59 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: Vinnie
When did they search you, going into or out of Canada?

I came back into the U.S. via a small border crossing to avoid the mess at the main one from Vancouver. They practically stripped my car looking for who knows what. I remember seeing them remove the radiator cap and wondering what they expected to find there besides really hot water.

The funny thing is I had rented a room on the U.S. side and that's where my pistol was waiting for me.

They finally handed my keys back saying that they had searched everywhere and hadn't found anything.
I know I was profiled because at the time I had really long hair and a beard. Will CAIR represent me for this indignity?

16 posted on 07/14/2006 7:08:08 AM PDT by Lx (Do you like it, do you like it. Scott? I call it Mr. and Mrs. Tennerman chili.)
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To: fanfan

I visit T.O. at least annually on business. I have found the best view of Ontario's capital city is through a Westjet window while ascending.


17 posted on 07/14/2006 7:26:25 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Genocide is the highest sacrament of socialism.)
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To: fanfan

When guns are outlawed, only outlaws have guns.


18 posted on 07/14/2006 7:27:40 AM PDT by CholeraJoe ("I don't know why I have a conscience. All it does is f*ck with me." Korn)
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To: fanfan
>>>>>I suspect one is safer in Baghdad than Toronto right now. There were 4 murders in Toronto again last night.<<<<

The most of the killings are related to drug trade. Toronto is not only a market for local consumption, it is net exporter of narcotics. Billions are in the game.

Perhaps we are now where NYC was in the 1970s.

19 posted on 07/14/2006 7:32:46 AM PDT by DTA
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To: Pravious

Toronto was for years known as "Toronto the Good" because it had so few of the problems that big cities often experience. Toronto residents apparently liked being known for being good, but after Trudeau's election, the liberal media turned it into a negative. "Toronto the Good" became a synonym for boring, bland, unable to have fun....

Well, the liberals have changed Toronto. It's no longer good, and no longer safe and clean. It's also gone from being a conservative stronghold into a liberal one. Toronto is Canada's version of California, where the once Republican-leaning Golden State has been transformed into a socialist rat stronghold that no longer attracts Americans ("California here we come!") but sends them packing.


20 posted on 07/14/2006 7:35:01 AM PDT by puroresu
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