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To: longtermmemmory
You are wrong about cyprus.
The Republic of Cyprus wants to be one nation as it was before.
Since the "Republic of Cyprus" is the Greek portion of the island, and the Greek Cypriotes want exactly the same thing they wanted in 1960 when the Republic of Cyprus' constitution was dismembered by Makarios, "one nation as it was before" still means ethnic cleansing by the Greek majority.
As for the attrocities, those turkish attrocities have been documented enough and are more better [sic] left to the other threads on the subjects.
I wasn't talking about Turkish atrocities, I was talking about the Greek atrocities on Turkish Cypriotes, the very acts which led inexorably to the Turkish intervention and the partition of the island. The Greek Cypriotes rejected the brokered plan by vote. That's the end of dreams of reunification of the island. The Turks on Cyprus don't want to live under Greek rule, remembering what it meant during the days of Makarios' rule, and the guarantees that the Greek delegation didn't want and the Greek Cypriotes rejected were intended to avoid that.
As for macedonia. The Former yougoslave republic was named by Marshal Tito as a land grab.
The nation of Macedonia was indeed formerly part of Yugoslavia, but was named that because the population was largely Macedonian.
The issue here is what does this statement mean in the diplomatic circles... I don't think this is too different from what the USA has said today.
The US response was just semantic.
"At the same time, Greece calls on the government of Israel to avoid the use of excessive and pointless force which cannot provide a solution to the problem." Greece has traditionally close ties with Arab countries but has also recently improved relations with Israel.
That is not the same thing, although it is an improvement over the condemning statements of the Arab nations who sponsor the terrorism in the first place. When it gets to shove, Greece will, at best, wash its hands.
50 posted on 07/13/2006 8:50:32 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (updated my FR profile on Wednesday, June 21, 2006. https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Since the "Republic of Cyprus" is the Greek portion of the island, and the Greek Cypriotes want exactly the same thing they wanted in 1960 when the Republic of Cyprus' constitution was dismembered by Makarios, "one nation as it was before" still means ethnic cleansing by the Greek majority.

You want to talk about ethnic cleansing? How about the fact that there no more then a few thousand Greeks left in Anatolia aka modern Turkey, a region which had Greek culture for thousands of years, while hundreds of thousands of them live currently in Greece?

"I wasn't talking about Turkish atrocities, I was talking about the Greek atrocities on Turkish Cypriotes, the very acts which led inexorably to the Turkish intervention and the partition of the island. The Greek Cypriotes rejected the brokered plan by vote. That's the end of dreams of reunification of the island. The Turks on Cyprus don't want to live under Greek rule, remembering what it meant during the days of Makarios' rule, and the guarantees that the Greek delegation didn't want and the Greek Cypriotes rejected were intended to avoid that.

You really believe that Turkish intervention was due to the suppose "autrocities" of Greeks against the 18% of Turks who lived on the island at that time? I would advice you to get your facts straight since you obviously are not familiar with them. If you like I can recommend a very detailed and thorough account of WHY the invasion by Turkish troops happened by a high ranking British military man who was there when these events took place. Autrocities did happen by both parties but it wasn't THAT which led to Turkish intervention, even if Turkey is trying to sell that piece of garbage of an excuse.

"As for macedonia. The Former yougoslave republic was named by Marshal Tito as a land grab. The nation of Macedonia was indeed formerly part of Yugoslavia, but was named that because the population was largely Macedonian."

Are you serious? It was given that named BECAUSE of Tito's ambition to conquered Greek territory, nothing to do with anything else, they couldn't even figure out if they were "Macedonians" or "Bulgarians" prior to Tito. Do you know WHY no legit Christian organization does not recognize the "Macedonian Church"?

"When it gets to shove, Greece will, at best, wash its hands."

That's how much you think you know about Greece or Greeks in general. This coming from International Raoul Wallenberg Foundation:

"When all official appeals to stop the deportations failed, Archbishop Damaskinos spearheaded a direct appeal to the Germans, in the form of a letter composed by the famous Greek poet Angelos Sikelianos and signed by prominent Greek citizens, in a bold attempt to appeal to the hearts and minds of the occupying authorities, in defense of the Jews who were being persecuted. The letter incited the rage of the Nazi general Stroop, who threatened the Archbishop with death by a firing squad. Damaskinos' response was, "Greek religious leaders are not shot, they are hanged. I request that you respect this custom." The simple courage of the religious leader's reply caught the Nazi commander off guard, and his life was spared. The appeal of the Archbishop and his fellow Greeks is unique; there is no similar document of protest of the Nazis during World War II that has come to light in any other European country. It reads, in part: "The Greek Orthodox Church and the Academic World of Greek People Protest against the Persecution... The Greek people were... deeply grieved to learn that the German Occupation Authorities have already started to put into effect a program of gradual deportation of the Greek Jewish community... and that the first groups of deportees are already on their way to Poland..." "According to the terms of the armistice, all Greek citizens, without distinction of race or religion, were to be treated equally by the Occupation Authorities. The Greek Jews have proven themselves... valuable contributors to the economic growth of the country [and] law-abiding citizens who fully understand their duties as Greeks. They have made sacrifices for the Greek country, and were always on the front lines of the struggle of the Greek nation to defend its inalienable historical rights..." "In our national consciousness, all the children of Mother Greece are an inseparable unity: they are equal members of the national body irrespective of religion... Our holy religion does not recognize superior or inferior qualities based on race or religion, as it is stated: 'There is neither Jew nor Greek' and thus condemns any attempt to discriminate or create racial or religious differences. Our common fate both in days of glory and in periods of national misfortune forged inseparable bonds between all Greek citizens, without exemption, irrespective of race..." "Today we are... deeply concerned with the fate of 60,000 of our fellow citizens who are Jews... we have lived together in both slavery and freedom, and we have come to appreciate their feelings, their brotherly attitude, their economic activity, and most important, their indefectible patriotism..."

http://www.raoulwallenberg.net/?en/news/2953/2992.htm

57 posted on 07/18/2006 2:31:40 PM PDT by apro
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