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To: Central Scrutiniser

Well, that's not making things up, it's just two different worldviews. Christianity is a revelation faith. It presumes there is a God who can perform miracles and who has revealed Truth to us through His Word. No one has to believe that, it's just that many of us do. Anything God might do would violate the rules of science.

I can understand someone saying they don't believe in God and thus don't believe the Noah story. What I find odd is when people say they do believe in the God of The Bible, but don't believe the Noah story because it wouldn't be scientifically possible for God to engineer it. If you follow that line of reasoning, it voids everything that makes God who He is. Virgin births are impossible according to science. So are all of Christ's miracles, including His resurrection. Do you believe Christ rose from the dead? If so, how is that something God could pull off, while being unable to pull off the flood?


233 posted on 07/08/2006 12:41:20 PM PDT by puroresu
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To: puroresu

And I'm just asking someone to show me some proof that it happened and to answer some very pointed questions that exposes the whole thing as a fable.

Rather than any actual scientifically valid answers, all I get is "its a miracle", "perhaps", "maybe", "suppose" and the like.

You can't argue your point by just attributing everything to "God" that you are unable to prove, that is lazy argumentation. Look, if you want to believe in stories and fables, so be it, but don't begrudge someone that wishes to make logical sense out of it by asking reasonable questions. The mere fact that no one can answer any questions put up to try to prove this story says a lot.


235 posted on 07/08/2006 12:47:16 PM PDT by Central Scrutiniser ("You can't really dust for vomit.")
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To: puroresu
Well, that's not making things up, it's just two different worldviews. Christianity is a revelation faith. It presumes there is a God who can perform miracles and who has revealed Truth to us through His Word. No one has to believe that, it's just that many of us do. Anything God might do would violate the rules of science.

Good point. It reminds me of a passage from Cornelius Van Til:

"Take now the four points I have mentioned -- creation, providence, prophecy, and miracle. Together they represent the whole of Christian theism. Together they include what is involved in the idea of God and what He has done round about and for us. Many times over and in many ways the evidence for all these has been presented. But you have an always available and effective answer at hand. It is impossible! It is impossible! You act like a postmaster who has received a great many letters addressed in foreign languages. He says he will deliver them as soon as they are addressed in the King's English by the people who sent them. Till then they must wait in the dead letter department. Basic to all the objections the average philosopher and scientist raises against the evidence for the existence of God is the assertion or the assumption that to accept such evidence would be to break the rules of logic."

259 posted on 07/08/2006 3:26:16 PM PDT by TIElniff (Autonomy is the guise of every graceless heart.)
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