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To: in hoc signo vinces

I know it seems oversimple. But my dad was telling me what preceeded the fall of the Berlin Wall and told me how that once the borders and countries surrounding East Germany opened, that it was like a dam bursting.


11 posted on 07/07/2006 11:04:07 AM PDT by 18yearold
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To: 18yearold
I know it seems oversimple. But my dad was telling me what preceeded the fall of the Berlin Wall and told me how that once the borders and countries surrounding East Germany opened, that it was like a dam bursting.

I think there is some misunderstanding here! The open borders of Eastern Europe were opened by the Communists, not the West. The Communists had, up until the end, kept everyone effectively in prison by closing the borders. Just prior to the fall of the Berlin wall, massive migrations from the Czechs were allowed and it became very clear that lots of people would leave if they could. This was a relaxation of the closed borders by the Communists. They actually had automated machine guns on some fences to keep people IN.

Please do not confuse this with the "open borders" and "free trade" problem we face with Mexico. It is totally different.

Closed borders is what Kim wants, not us.

Kim is trying to get us to pay extortion money for him not to pursue the acquisition of nuclear weapons and delivery systems.

We should not pay. The Clinton administration agreed to such an arrangement in the 1990's and it only resulted in resources for Kim's regime and time.

39 posted on 07/07/2006 11:20:11 AM PDT by the_Watchman
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To: 18yearold
I know it seems oversimple. But my dad was telling me what preceeded the fall of the Berlin Wall and told me how that once the borders and countries surrounding East Germany opened, that it was like a dam bursting.

I was stationed in the Army when the iron curtain fell. When I got there they were still shooting at people trying to get into W. Ger. Communism fell when the people overthrew their tyrant leadership. This won't work for N. Korea because: 1. Asian mindset is different from European mindset 2. The leader is a megalomaniac who is systematically starving his population. 3. The population has no means to systematically fight back even if they could. 4. Similar thing was attempted with Hitler, and you SHOULD know where that got us. There are EVIL people in the world and they must be dealt with accordingly. Kimmy is one of them

40 posted on 07/07/2006 11:20:16 AM PDT by Godzilla (Evil can be defeated when the good are unafraid.)
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To: 18yearold
don't let 'em get ya down...a 1st post(specially a vanity) here is kinda like "pledge week" at the Animal House fraternity.

The question ain't bad.
Same questions were being asked about China some 35 odd years ago.
Nixon went to China.

Much as we tried to tie human rights with trade, Clinton removed that tie.

And here we are....posting on FR using made in China stuff.

keep askin questions
65 posted on 07/07/2006 11:59:16 AM PDT by stylin19a
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