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N. Korea: Taepodong-2 pointed at waters near Hawaii: report (direct provocation)
Kyodo News ^
| 07/07/06
Posted on 07/06/2006 5:06:10 PM PDT by TigerLikesRooster
Taepodong-2 pointed at waters near Hawaii: report
(Kyodo) _ The Taepodong-2 long-range missile recently test-fired by North Korea was pointed at waters near Hawaii, the Sankei Shimbun reported Friday in its online edition.
Citing government sources in Japan and the United States, the report said Japan's Defense Agency and the U.S. military reached the conclusion after analyzing the missile's path from data collected by Aegis-equipped destroyers and RC-135S electronic reconnaissance aircraft.
The missile was test-fired from its launching site in Musudanri in northeast North Korea early Wednesday local time before landing into the Sea of Japan about several hundred kilometers away.
The authorities decided that the missile was pointed at Hawaii from the angle of its nose cone immediately after the launch and the altitude it has reached, the report said.
The distance between North Korea and Hawaii is about 7,000 kikometers. While Taepodong-2 was widely believed to have the firing range of 3,500-6,000 km, its actual range can be longer, the report said.
It is not clear why North Korea targeted areas near Hawaii, but the sources believe North either wanted to show that the missile's firing range includes the United States, or because Hawaii is home to the headquarters of the U.S. Pacific Fleet, or because the missile could mistakenly hit a land area if fired toward Alaska, the report said.
TOPICS: Breaking News; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: actofwar; axisofevil; bashbush; hawaii; korea; missile; nkorea; northkorea; proliferation; taepodong; taepodong2
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To: Lady Jag
Jong Dong it! I thought that was the video.
Still LOLing....
To: edpc
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(Frank D'Amico-Herb Alpert)
Carnival Records CAR-1002,
1962
To: Enterprise
323
posted on
07/07/2006 12:15:48 PM PDT
by
angcat
("IF YOU DON'T STAND BEHIND OUR TROOPS, PLEASE, FEEL FREE TO STAND IN FRONT OF THEM !")
To: jonrick46
Was at the air show at Kirtland AFB this past weekend. They had some booths displaying some of our newer technology.
Two booths made reference to the ABL. One showed how we are developing relays to allow us to shoot further than line of sight. The other booth was about the jet itself.
At the first booth the guy got real wide-eyed when I told my son that the enemy couldn't stop the lasers with mirrors because they are concentrated onto the target and would burn through the mirrored surface. He almost lost it when I said that these reflecting technologies (satellites, ground-based, and blimp-based) would be used to not only hit targets out of the usual line of sight, but also could combine several targeting lasers and increase the damage done. This was a best guess based on stuff I had read (Pop Sci, Scientific American, Jane's, etc.). The booth dude glared but had no comment.
The guys in the second booth were in a much more talkative mood. They told us about the high volatile chemicals on the jet that can only be replaced on the ground. When I asked if the plane was operational enough to help with the North Korean threat, they looked at each other, smirked, and one of them said, "No sir, it isn't flying yet."
The look and smirk said to me "Are you gonna give the company line or am I?"
I have the feeling things are much further along then we are led to believe. I also think it is highly probable that the malfunction of the North Korean missile wasn't an accident.
324
posted on
07/07/2006 12:35:26 PM PDT
by
Crusher138
("Then conquer we must, for our cause it is just")
To: etcetera
He sent us up the bomb!
What you say?
You have no chance to survive. Make your Time.
All your based belong to US!
325
posted on
07/07/2006 1:30:09 PM PDT
by
Donald Meaker
(Brother, can you Paradigm?)
To: Paulus Invictus
"Err, missing is the air intake and how to stop the incoming radiactive air? This was drawn in the 50's and looks it. We were so naive then (I know. I was there). Our neighbor built a much better and stronger shelter just a few doors away. I know where I'm heading when Kimmo sends the big one. Trouble is, the new owners of the shelter and house above it are gays. What then?"
Well, first you need to figure out how to duck-and-cover without bending over...
To: samadams2000; BlackSeal
"How about the President? His response has been pathetic. Playing it as a game. He is the one that has to make decisions to defend the country. I guess we now have to live with countries lauching missles at us?"
I think the President is privy to a little more intel than the rest of us here.
Even if you accept this unverified report that the missile was aimed at Hawaii, the big question is "why" Kim sent off his flurry of dongs. Importantly, many indications suggest that the NK economy is in extremis and Kim is seeing meaningful dissent for the fist time. Something may well be going on internally in NK; if so then a business-as-usual non-response from Bush would be exactly the correct prescription, as it is for any pathetic yapping little cur. As things stand: Kim has utterly shot his wad, and got nothing for it: no bilateral talks, no easing of sanctions, not even much attention, nothing, nada, bupkes, zilch, zip.
Interestingly, if this is the dynamic at work, then even if we shot down the missile (to which I'd give even odds, actually) we would be well advised to keep that to ourselves, and let the world think it just blew up or fell apart or something. It makes Kim look incompetent as well as insane, and puts a bit of a crimp in his sales efforts for his weaponry.
My sense is that Kim will cease to be a problem soon.
Above all else, George W. Bush is a Texas poker player. Always remember that.
To: Fiji Hill
Thanks for that post!
"Dore Alpert" is, of course, the great Herb Alpert, pre-Tijuana Brass, whose A&M Studios almost single-handedly kept the melody in popular music during the '60s and '70s. Herb's wife, Lani Hall, is the most enthralling jazz/latin singer on the planet. Both recently played with their old pal Sergio Mendes at the Hollywood Bowl, Lani singing four of her old Brasil '66 songs with Herb backing up on trumpet, and they brought down the house. Very talented people.
To: Smartass; nicmarlo; MamaDearest
Someone, not MSM, reported that N. Korea had actually fired more missles than what was reported here.
My main concern is not nukes so much as those missles' containing biological warfare!
329
posted on
07/07/2006 3:04:49 PM PDT
by
Larousse2
(Like June Carter Cash, "I'm just tryin' to matter.")
To: Larousse2
Ahh, I believe the info might have come from our gov. via NORAD.
330
posted on
07/07/2006 3:57:59 PM PDT
by
Smartass
("In God We Trust" - "An informed and knowledgeably citizen is the best defense against tyranny")
To: samadams2000
How about the President? Congress is required to approve a joint resolution to grant war powers. And that is a good thing. There is no such thing as "Bushes War". Congress alone has the power to request updates from the Commander in Chief (currently every 60 days for 1441); and they alone fund troop mobilizations and withdrawals. The president is correct in using the US state department and exhausting all diplomatic efforts before resorting to requesting military action. This keeps the rhetoric toned down on both sides. Look at how long it took for congress to approve the Iraq operations. And the Iraqis had been shooting at our aircraft for years.
That said, I would not want to live in Hawaii. This will get downplayed lest it really hurt tourism there.
To: angcat
DDG Kongo
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332
posted on
07/07/2006 4:14:53 PM PDT
by
ezsmoke
To: RadioCirca1970
Wanna speed it up---let Japan repeal Article 9...nothing else, just REPEAL it.. I think that repeal or major revision of Article 9 is likely to happen.
To: ezsmoke; angcat
Here are a collection of various images of various bits of Japanese equipment from
this page at the ground forces' website:
To: omega4179
I Agree with Newt i say we blow the hell out of them before they get missile off the pad
To: BlackSeal
This is too easy... Just look at the history of how N. Korea operates. Kimmie's trying to provoke a strong response. Probably thinks that if he can't scare Bush, he can at least scare enough of the left here to force Bush to negotiate from a weaker position / make concessions. The last thing he wants is for us to continue on basically the same, calm course we have been. Unfortunately, Bush has to show just a little concern here (political pressure here.)
As I posted elsewhere, the libs are like a parent who freaks out when the baby cries, when in reality all that is needed is to check for poop in the diapers. In this case, there wasn't even much poop.
336
posted on
07/07/2006 7:59:44 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(June 8, 1966: Tornado removed most of our house, glad we had a basement!)
To: TigerLikesRooster
337
posted on
07/07/2006 8:07:06 PM PDT
by
AnimalLover
( ((Are there special rules and regulations for the big guys?)))
To: RightOnTheLeftCoast
338
posted on
07/07/2006 8:51:21 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(June 8, 1966: Tornado removed most of our house, glad we had a basement!)
To: Enterprise
That's darn interesting. How does that compare with Israel?
China? (I know, the Israelis and Chicoms have nukes...)
339
posted on
07/07/2006 8:55:28 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(June 8, 1966: Tornado removed most of our house, glad we had a basement!)
To: Crusher138
Lot's of cool stuff with or for military apps. goes by my desk in electronics engineering mags and mags like "Machine Design", Design News, etc., every month. (Heck, I'm just an audio electronics engineer!) The REALLY cutting edge stuff is probably too classified to make these mags, but even so, it's pretty clear that on a tech basis, we can't lose, so long as we stay on course...
340
posted on
07/07/2006 9:05:38 PM PDT
by
Paul R.
(June 8, 1966: Tornado removed most of our house, glad we had a basement!)
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