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To: b_sharp

The fossil record is a time sequence imposed on the evidence by men.

Fossil 'reworking', missing layers and 'overthrusting' are regularly invoked to explain anomalous fossils and strata appearing where they shouldn't.

And 'gene duplication' and 'regulatory gene modification' produces only freaks that would be eliminated from the population, not new more fit creatures.

If the DNA information is corrupted such that the cell cannot use it to proceed in the development, it is loss of information. No inconsistency, just a lack of understanding on your part.


250 posted on 07/04/2006 1:59:45 PM PDT by GourmetDan
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To: GourmetDan; b_sharp
And 'gene duplication' and 'regulatory gene modification' produces only freaks that would be eliminated from the population, not new more fit creatures.

This statement is trivially false.

But please, if you disagree, explain clearly to me how a gene duplication event, independent of gene product or expression level, will always lead to a reduction in fitness.

255 posted on 07/04/2006 3:05:28 PM PDT by staterightsfirst
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"The fossil record is a time sequence imposed on the evidence by men.

The relative order of the strata fossils are found in was known long before Darwin proposed the ToE. In an undisturbed formation, the oldest rock is on the bottom and the newest rock is on the top. This is necessarily so. Throughout the time humans have been studying geological formations, we have discovered many instances of geological disturbance that can change the order the layers are in, in most cases the inversion is quite obvious.

Since that time we have developed dating techniques that can accurately date many types of layers. The sequence of those dates closely matches the relative sequence previously determined for most of those strata. You will note this can be done without referencing the fossils.

"Fossil 'reworking', missing layers and 'overthrusting' are regularly invoked to explain anomalous fossils and strata appearing where they shouldn't.

I take it you believe there is a huge evil conspiracy of geologists, geophysicists, archaeologists, and paleontologists all determined to lie about the age of the Earth and fossils?

BTW, groups of strata frequently produce a 'bar code' uniqueness.

"And 'gene duplication' and 'regulatory gene modification' produces only freaks that would be eliminated from the population, not new more fit creatures.

Really? Ever heard of polyploidy?

Or how about...

Gene duplication followed by an indel can create a modified version of a feature. An example of this is the 125 million year old gene duplication event in the common ancestor of Arabidopsis thaliana (mustard plant) and the Antirrhinum majus (snapdragon) in which the AG gene in the A. thaliana and the PLE gene in the A. majus have both diverged from the copy and each other.

"If the DNA information is corrupted such that the cell cannot use it to proceed in the development, it is loss of information. No inconsistency, just a lack of understanding on your part.

Yes, of course...

257 posted on 07/04/2006 5:50:32 PM PDT by b_sharp (There is always one more mess to clean up.)
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