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To: Snickering Hound
I have a friend who has been a court officer for many years.

He has basically come to the conclusion after personally witnessing numerous proceedings involving illegal aliens that there are two sets of laws in this country now. The illegals come out far better than citizens do in case after case. He said the basic stereotype of the "poor illegal immigrant" is an absolute joke. These people know how to game the system better than anybody. He's spoken to some in near perfectly understandable English outside of court only to see them in court claiming "no habla" One case involved an illegal Mexican male that molested the 11 year old daughter of an illegal Mexican woman. The girl is now pregnant. A truly wonderful class of people to be importing into this country. The labor cost savings are worth anything I guess.
28 posted on 06/30/2006 9:10:37 AM PDT by headstamp (Nothing lasts forever, Unless it does.)
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To: headstamp

perfectly understandable English outside of court only to see them in court claiming "no habla"

Hubby was a firefighter here in a 97% hispanic town. He speaks spanish fluently. Firefighters are always first on scene. The firetruck would pull up and they would stand there and listen to the group (in spanish) getting their stories straight. Hubby would never let them know that he understood them.
There were 3 caucasians firefighters on the truck so noone ever knew that the firefighters understood everything they said in spanish. When the police would arrive, hubby could give them the full story. lol


31 posted on 06/30/2006 9:16:27 AM PDT by sheana
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To: headstamp
"The labor cost savings are worth anything I guess."

The business 'elites' would agree with that I think.
33 posted on 06/30/2006 9:22:27 AM PDT by Texas_Jarhead
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To: headstamp
These people know how to game the system better than anybody. He's spoken to some in near perfectly understandable English outside of court only to see them in court claiming "no habla"

They've been playing that game for decades. Let them miss one check and it's amazing how quickly they learn English demanding to know where it is.

59 posted on 06/30/2006 10:42:58 AM PDT by mtbopfuyn (I think the border is kind of an artificial barrier - San Antonio councilwoman Patti Radle)
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To: headstamp
He has basically come to the conclusion after personally witnessing numerous proceedings involving illegal aliens that there are two sets of laws in this country now. The illegals come out far better than citizens do in case after case.

He's right. US Citizens have no rights, only privileges.

Illegals STILL have rights and are protected by law precisely because they are NOT 'citizens'.

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14 CJS section 4 quotes State v. Manuel 20 NC 122:
"... the term `citizen' in the United States, is analogous to the term `subject' in the common law; the change of phrase has resulted from the change in government."

The US Supreme Court in Logan v. US, 12 SCt 617, 626:
"In Baldwin v. Franks ... it was decided that the word `citizen' .... was used in its political sense, and not as synonymous with `resident', `inhabitant', or `person' ..."

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Anyone born outside Washington D.C. are supposed to be State Citizens, NOT 'US Citizens'.

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U.S. v. Anthony 24 Fed. 829 (1873)
"The term resident and citizen of the United States is distinguished from a Citizen of one of the several states, in that the former is a special class of citizen created by Congress."

Gardina v. Board of Registrars of Jefferson County, 160 Ala. 155; 48 So. 788 (1909)
"There are, then, under our republican form of government, two classes of citizens, one of the United States and one of the state".

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The original intent of the phrase 'citizen of the United States':

http://press-pubs.uchicago.edu/founders/documents/a1_8_17s22.html
§ 1218. The inhabitants enjoy all their civil, religious, and political rights. They live substantially under the same laws, as at the time of the cession, such changes only having been made, as have been devised, and sought by themselves. They are not indeed citizens of any state, entitled to the privileges of such; but they are citizens of the United States. They have no immediate representatives in congress.

61 posted on 06/30/2006 10:47:29 AM PDT by MamaTexan (I will hold my government to the intent of the Founders.... whether it likes it or not!)
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