Posted on 06/28/2006 6:35:36 PM PDT by NutCrackerBoy
Romney/Marriage Watch
Governor Mitt Romney made the following statement today regarding the Massachusetts Protection of Marriage Amendment:
“Our elected representatives in the Legislature will soon hold a historic vote. It regards the institution of marriage.
But it will not be a vote for or against same sex marriage.
No, it will be a vote for or against democracy.
The people here today have followed the law, followed the process established in the Constitution, and gathered an astounding 170,000 signatures. Their effort means that the people, the citizens, will be free to choose how marriage is defined in Massachusetts.
This is democracy pure and simple.
Of course, democracy can be squashed. Only one fourth of the legislators must vote for democracy, for this question, this choice, to be given to the people. But it is conceivable that some will try to block a vote by the people by blocking a vote of the legislature.
We here are speaking for democracy and the rule of the law. Whether you agree that marriage should be reserved for a man and a woman or not, surely you can agree that the course of democracy, established by the Constitution, must be followed. Is there anything more fundamental to this Commonwealth and this country than the principle that power is reserved to the people, that government is the servant, not the master?
We ask for one thing: the constitutionally prescribed vote of the Legislature. Let the people speak.”
Posted at 12:57 PM
"Again, show me where I posted "Romney humpers" or anything of the sort."
Never said that you said it . Just pointing out that far nicer things have been thrown about than what I said to you. To bad that you're so soft skinned .....
"The "ideal candidate" will be an actual conservative...pro-life, pro-liberty, strong on the borders and defense, pro-American sovereignty, and a Constitutionalist."
And again you you can't name anyone with a real chance at for the nomination .....All you can do is snipe at me ...give it a rest
If anybody's thin-skinned here, it's you.
I don't know what you expect when you support a RINO like Romney on a conservative website like FR.
There are only two kinds of Republicans who tend to support Mitt: LDS members who are willing to overlook most anything for this guy, and those who are RINOs themselves.
"There are only two kinds of Republicans who tend to support Mitt: LDS members who are willing to overlook most anything for this guy, and those who are RINOs themselves."
Of course you still offer no ideas on candidates . I don't fall into any of your little categories. I am a realist , and if you read any of my previous posts , you'll realize that i'm not giving him blind support . My contention is that if he appeals to red states with his standpoints after breaking free from Mass, he will stand a very strong chance of securing the nomination . You can accept it or not , but it remains a very probable and strong possibility .
If that happens, you can go and vote for a "real" social Conservative like McCain ,as McCain will be angry and running as an Independent just to trip up the Republican party for not crowning him King ...
Republicans usually don't advocate "pure democracy."
Of course, democracy can be squashed.
Squashed?
Main Entry: squash
Pronunciation: 'skwäsh, 'skwosh
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle French esquasser, from (assumed) Vulgar Latin exquassare, from Latin ex- + quassare to shake -- more at QUASH
transitive senses
1 : to press or beat into a pulp or a flat mass : CRUSH
2 : PUT DOWN, SUPPRESS
intransitive senses
1 : to flatten out under pressure or impact
2 : to proceed with a splashing or squelching sound
LOL
I can be fair about someones record while still not wanting to vote for them, unlike you. You have an inherent bias against anyone except romney. yea mccain is anti gun, but romney is pro abort, pro gay boy scout leaders, pro civil unions, anti gun. Hes got a lot more strikes against him than mccain on the social conservative front.
You're a real knee-jerker, ain't ya.
I wouldn't vote for John McCain for town pooper-scooper.
*grin*
Mitt Romney doesn't deserve the support of any conservative, blind or not.
"I can be fair about someones record while still not wanting to vote for them, unlike you. You have an inherent bias against anyone except romney."
False . I'm viewing the prospective candidates and putting forth an honest assessment of who I believe will do well in the primaries and the general .
Frist and Gingrich would be demonized into oblivion in a general election .
McCain and Giuliani won't even make it out of the primaries due to their stands on social issues . McCain is even worse with his soft stance on certain aspects of the WOT .
Jeb won't run although he would be the strongest, minus the dynasty factor which would hurt him .
That leaves Romney and Allen . Everyone here says that Romney is a big flaming Lib , so be it , we shall see . I say Allen is too stuffy and would get dominated in the debates and the general .
If Allen is all we have, we are in deep trouble .
I think Romney has the electability factor in his favor , but he will fall into the McCain, Giuliani, primary defeat category if his social views are not correct . I also think Romney would be stronger on the WOT than McCain .
Maybe Tancredo is the answer , but is he electable ?
"You're a real knee-jerker, ain't ya."
LOL ...Looks like I struck a nerve there .
So onto a bit of intellectual discourse . Name someone who you want to run who actually stands a chance .... I'm still waiting ....
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Bill Owens
40th Governor of Colorado
Term of office: January 1999 – present
Lieutenant Governor: Jane E. Norton
Predecessor: Roy Romer
Successor: incumbent
Born: October 22, 1950
Fort Worth, Texas
Political party: Republican
Profession: Politician
Spouse: Frances Owens
This article is about the Governor of Colorado. For others, see [[William Owens]].
William F. "Bill" Owens (born October 22, 1950) is an American politician and a member of the Republican Party. He is current (and 40th) Governor of Colorado.
Born in Fort Worth, Texas and a practicing Catholic, a master's degree in public affairs from the Lyndon B. Johnson School of Public Affairs at the University of Texas at Austin. He is an expert in Soviet affairs and writes and lectures often on Russia. He has been married for almost 30 years and has three children. Before his political career, Owens worked for 20 years in the private sector as a consultant with Deloitte and Touche, with the Gates Corporation, and as director of a trade association.
Owens served as a member of Colorado state house of representatives from 1982 to 1988 and Colorado state treasurer from 1995 to 1999. Since 1999, he has served as the 40th Governor of Colorado. In the 1998 governor's race, he defeated his Democratic opponent, Gail Schoettler, in a very close election (they both received about 48% of the vote). He won the 2002 governor's race by defeating the Democratic candidate, Rollie Heath, 64%-32%, the greatest majority in Colorado history.
In 2002 he was proclaimed by the National Review, a conservative political magazine, as the "best governor in the U.S." [1]
Following the retirement announcement of U.S. Senator Ben Nighthorse Campbell in 2004, Governor Owens briefly considered running for the open seat, but ultimately decided against it. Leading up to the 2004 primary, Owens caused some controversy in the Republican Party by announcing support for Bob Schaffer's run to replace Campbell, but then endorsing Pete Coors when Coors announced his entry into the race.
Owens has also been mentioned as a potential nominee to the Cabinet of President George W. Bush in Bush's second term. Owens has said he expects to remain governor, but he also has not categorically ruled out the possibility of accepting a Cabinet nomination. Such a nomination may be less likely after the defeat of Coors in the general election. Owens has described his politics as mostly conservative with some libertarian influences. He is widely considered to be a possible candidate for President of the United States, or a possible nominee for Vice President in 2008 or 2012.
I kind of like the looks of this guy better than any of the democrat-light candidates the media and a lot of suspect posters keep bringing up.
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Allen will not get dominated in the debates and general, look at his past electoral succsesses and performances. He did great in 1993 and in 2000 debates. Don't buy into this myth that some freepers put up that hes a bad debater and gets owned, watch the chuck robb - allen debate for yourself or go look into the allen mary sue terry debate. He performed great in both races. He is not to be underestimated.
"Electability" arguement is absolute bs. BOb dole's handlers ran under the banner of electability. Hell, under that rationale we should pump pataki, hell he was governor of one of the bluest states in the country. Yea, romney won in MA, but he ran as a lincoln chafee clone to do it. Big whoop and that wont sell to the base. Allen is a strong primary candidate as well as a strong general election candidate and you shouldn't dismiss him so easily.
Remember, after the 2004 elections ALL the 2008 candidates chased after Dick Wadhams, (the strategiest most gop'ers percieve to be Karl Rove's heir apparent), and who was it who landed hiM? Thats right, George Allen.
"Remember, after the 2004 elections ALL the 2008 candidates chased after Dick Wadhams, (the strategiest most gop'ers percieve to be Karl Rove's heir apparent), and who was it who landed hiM? Thats right, George Allen."
That doesn't change the fact that Allen comes off as obtuse. He appears out of touch and it will be impossible for him to overcome that fact . So what is your fascination with Allen ? He doesn't stand a chance . Romney is the one to watch .
Allen is not obtuse, hes a great speaker who is very charismatic. Whats your fascination with romney? Do flip flopping rinos give you the jollies? Romney stands no chance, he will come off as a flip flopping rino and will alienate conservatives, he will turn off evangelicals because of his mormonism. Once he starts to cave in the polls romney will veer left in an attempt to win and in the process alienate more conservatives.
Romney's the one to watch alright, the one to watch crash and burn and the one to watch as the rino's and fake conservatives great hope.
"I disagree with it. The Constitution did not establish democracy. It established republicanism."
Romney may be referring to his state's Constitution, not the federal Constitution here. The national Constitution established a federal republic at the national level. Individual states are member of the Republic, but their individual forms of government are decided by the process of democracy. Some state governments are more democratic in the way their citizens' voices are heard through ballot initiatives, etc.
You're right . We will see where Romney truly stands on the Second Amendment .If he's not right on the gun issue, he will fail in the primaries .It must be noted Mass compared to the majority red states are two completely different animals . This is why I will keep an openmind regarding Romney and see where he truly stands on the issue .
Romney will do well in the polls and primaries . He will gain mass appeal as more people hear him speak . Don't forget , Romney came in third place in the Tennessee straw poll. It's a good indicator of how the base will hear Romney and like what they see . Frist of course, came in first, as it's his home state . Where was Allen in that poll ? ....lol
Uh lol, that poll was rigged. The vast majority of straw polls have allen winnining. Romney only won that straw poll because he flew out a crap load of volunteers to that state(hotline documented this). Whenenver theres a blogosphere poll like the ones hugh hewitt runs(that patrick ruffini ran) with votes int he 10's of thousands Allen places first to 2nd usually tossing it off between him and rudy. Romney usually comes in 4th or 5th. Romney has no prayer of winning the nomination, hes a uber social liberal and he has a record of it from 1994 and 2002. When will you get that through your head.
A better indicator of the straw poll from SRLC was the tenneseans 2nd preference, since they were mostly local people. When you break down the 2nd preference Allen comes in first and easily beats romney. You really are pathetic if your clinging to one straw poll which showed romney ahead. The vast majority show Allen leading him, even here on free republic he was crushed. I trust the blogosphere one thats been taking every month since early 2005 as a better indicator of where things stand, and romney isn't all that high on there. You really are reaching, its quite pathetic.
Since you seem to have some inner desire to get the last word, its yours. There's no point in arguing with you since you would vote for Romney if he was caught with a naked 6 year old boy.
"Since you seem to have some inner desire to get the last word, its yours. There's no point in arguing with you since you would vote for Romney if he was caught with a naked 6 year old boy."
That is an absolutely bizarre statement . It's obvious you haven't read all of my posts regarding Romney. You are a perfect example of inanity .I'm not sure why your posts are repeatedly laden with strange sexual inferences with the intent to insult people you disagree with , but it doesn't serve you or your argument well .
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