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"JWinNC: Post originally to beezdotcom. If you don't like my analogy in post #215 then use the hypothetical in this post."

What hypothetical? The "lesbian thing" in the first paragraph?

And I must note that this is inaccurate:

"He was given the floor on the basis and premise that he would introduce a CP advocate about which there is no controversy or disagreement."

This has alredy been coverd in our discussion. He used the time that was normal and expected to introduce visitors nad make announcements. He could have introduced you or I or anyone else at that time. He was NOT given the floor on the basis and premise you claim.

This has already been covered in our discussion. He used the time that was normal and expected to introduce visitors and make announcements. He could have introduced you or I or anyone else at that time. He was NOT given the floor on the basis and premise you claim.

It's been covered but you are wrong. I will highlight it for you. He said:

The high concentration of saline in the womb for 24 hours resulted in a lack of oxygen to her brain and is the cause of her cerebral palsy.

[change of topic - ding, ding, ding]

Members, today, we are going to recognize the 90th anniversary of Rocky Mountain Planned Parenthood…

This is exactly the point at which he deviated from introducing her to turning the topic of discussion to an intended rant against PP. Why can't you see that? He was gaveled to silence and rightly so.

"Representative Harvey, I will allow you to continue your introduction, but not for the purposes of debating a measure now pending before the House."

Exactly right. The time for debating pending legislation is when that legislation is under consideration. The proper thing for him to do was to wait for that legislation to come up and be recognized to speak on it. At that time he was perfectly entitled to recognize her and use her to put a face on the issue. It's done all the time. If he is such a minor member of that legislative body that he can't get recognized to speak then that doesn't give him special privileges to speak out of turn.

I don't care how inspired by God you are, if you are going to participate in the civil polity then you don't get to make up the rules for yourself. If you violate the rules, yes you can get away with it once, but: a) you shouldn't be surprised if you are never recognized to speak again, and b) you shouldn't complain if everyone else decides the rules don't apply to them either.

And maybe it gave him, and those here, some fleeting satisfaction at having made mad those with whom we all disagree (how Christian is that?). Acting like the rules don't apply to you actually hurts rather than helps the cause. If you demonstrate that you don't believe in the rules then who's going to trust you to obey the law going forward? As I said at the start, "This is exactly the kind of stunt that gives Christians a bad name." It becomes pretty hard to convice non-believers of the righteousness of the Christian faith when they see stuff like this.

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As a technical aside, in utero oxygen is supplied by the umbilical cord. I don't see how the saline solution interfered with that. Unless he means there was lung damage that resulted in hypoxia after birth? In any event, as I said early on, it's not medically established that a lack of oxygen is connected with CP yet he states this as an established fact. I have a problem with that as well.

For those of you that don't know John Edwards made his first millions by suing an obstetrician with the allegation that a failure to perform a C-section resulted in oxygen starvation and CP. There were several net results
1) an obstetrician's practice was ruined
2) other obstetrician/gynecologists quit the obstetrician part of their practice resulting in less available health care.
3) C-sections skyrocketed in NC which increased cost was passed on to everyone
4) the incidence of CP remained unchanged

Therefore I'm disappointed to see anyone repeating this apparent canard. I wonder if they know they are keeping company with John Edwards?