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A Critical Appraisal (of public schools over the years)
JohnTaylorGatto.com ^ | John Taylor Gatto

Posted on 06/27/2006 4:33:31 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued

The record after 1960 is no different. It is hardly unfair to say that the stupidity of 1867, the fruitlessness of 1880, the dullness of 1895, the cannot be reformed of 1910, the absolutely nothing of 1930, and the nothing of 1960 have continued into the schools of today. We pay four times more in real dollars than we did in 1930 and thus we buy even more of what mass schooling dollars always bought.

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KEYWORDS: education; publicschools
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To: after dark
It is stunning that children are in some ways being treated much worse than hardened criminals.

I like to say that children are sentenced to 12 years of schooling for having committed the crime of being born.

...And that at age 18 children are thrown bound and gagged onto the street of life.

61 posted on 06/28/2006 11:49:03 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: GSlob
By a pretty simple 15-20 minute test on a child [or an adult] one could find that person's IQ at a minimal cost.

Who cares?

62 posted on 06/28/2006 11:51:08 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: after dark

Well, I have always been in favor of terminating public education. But if it does exist [and consumes a lot of resources], then at least these resources ought to be spent with maximum return, which is manifestly not the case now. On this much everyone can agree.


63 posted on 06/28/2006 11:52:34 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: Aquinasfan
"Who cares?"
Well, as an employer [or a potential supervisor] I do - if I'm looking for laboratory assistant, B.A./B.S. level, then idiots need not apply.
64 posted on 06/28/2006 11:55:11 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob
Well, as an employer [or a potential supervisor] I do

That's fine with me. I'm just glad that I don't work for you.

65 posted on 06/28/2006 11:58:23 AM PDT by Aquinasfan (When you find "Sola Scriptura" in the Bible, let me know)
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To: GSlob

Sorry, your reply doesn't make sense to me. Single class as in one year one subject ? Or single class as in graduating class ?

Noam Chomsky is a full professor at MIT, as was Cornel West at Harvard. So what ? Ivy League universities hire idiots all the time, as much or more than they hire true scholars; your post proves nothing.

That said, yes some schools can and do have areas of excellence in which almost by chance a group of students and a teacher/professor go on to achieve high levels of scholarship. That is not the norm anywhere; it's serendipity. You see it primarily where the teacher and the students are highly motivated and somewhat matched in ability level.


66 posted on 06/28/2006 12:08:02 PM PDT by cinives (On some planets what I do is considered normal.)
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To: cinives

Single class as an administrative group of students who would be sitting together in one room listening to, or interacting with, one instructor on whatever subject was in the schedule. More, that group did not change membership with the change of subjects and instructors. The graduating class [everyone graduating from that school in that year] had several such groups, but on my visit years ago I took some details of only one.


67 posted on 06/28/2006 12:20:29 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: metmom

That test has been around as long as there has been an internet. I believe it has also been debunked from time to time but I don't have any specific links for that. One would think if it were legitimate someone would come up with another one of similar difficulty from another school system.


68 posted on 06/28/2006 12:27:37 PM PDT by groanup (Shred For Ian)
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To: Aquinasfan

I'm glad, too. And everybody will live happily ever after.


69 posted on 06/28/2006 12:29:14 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob
Like I said if you do not mind spending 50,000 dollars a year trying to turn on person into a genius that is okay with me. Genius is more elusive than an IQ number. Some orphan child will come out from nowheres and cream your geniuses.Alexander Grothendieck had none of the advantages you think geniuses need.
70 posted on 06/28/2006 12:34:37 PM PDT by after dark (I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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To: after dark

Let him, by all means. The race is not always going to the swift, but this is the way to bet on it.


71 posted on 06/28/2006 12:38:59 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Clintonfatigued

That's what I thought.

I wonder if he's still drawing retirement from that corrupt system? It's probably against his principles to do so, don't you think?


72 posted on 06/28/2006 7:09:59 PM PDT by Amelia (If we hire them, they will come.)
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To: Amelia

I don't know the answer to that.


73 posted on 06/28/2006 7:20:59 PM PDT by Clintonfatigued (Illegal aliens commit crimes that Americans won't commit)
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