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The return of nuclear fusion?
Prospect Magazine ^ | June 23, 2006 | by Fred Pearce

Posted on 06/22/2006 7:23:08 PM PDT by aculeus

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1 posted on 06/22/2006 7:23:09 PM PDT by aculeus
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I'm in favor of funding research into all energy alternatives as long as our current energy dollars are going to fund islamic terrorists.

Bring on the Fusion gypsies and let the experimenting begin. Heck, I'd risk letting Doc Ock experiment rather than fund Islamies.


2 posted on 06/22/2006 7:27:07 PM PDT by DannyTN
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To: DannyTN

Well said. Let Fusion Power be our next Marshall Project.


3 posted on 06/22/2006 7:31:03 PM PDT by rlmorel (John Murtha: Out of touch, Out of His Mind. Lets make him Out of Congress! DIANA IREY FOR CONGRESS!)
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To: aculeus

Fusion has to be possible.

It would be unlike God to dangle these luscious grapes so close, and continually snatch them back out of our reach.


4 posted on 06/22/2006 7:31:52 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I never submit to IQ tests. That way, I can honestly say that my IQ can not be measured.)
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To: aculeus

The longest sustained reaction is only about 40 seconds so they have a long way to go.


5 posted on 06/22/2006 7:33:05 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: DannyTN

Nothing but a pipe dream. If it sounds so good, private firms would have leaped in and spent millions already.


6 posted on 06/22/2006 7:34:57 PM PDT by Extremely Extreme Extremist
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To: DannyTN

The good news, though, is that the Iranians have decided to take on the expense of researching nuclear fusion.


And I'm sure that they are interested in producing electricity rather than the H-bomb.


7 posted on 06/22/2006 7:36:47 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

"Millions" wouldn't even be a start.

Pipe dream? Gee, wonder how many jewels of current technology were considered that.


8 posted on 06/22/2006 7:38:03 PM PDT by mgstarr
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To: DannyTN
As a high school student with a flair for science and a skill at writing essays, I was chosen by Reddy Kilowatt to attend the National Youth Conference on the Atom, in Chicago, in 1963. While there, we were awed by the claims of a bunch of professors from Illinois and other schools of similar credibility, who assured us that fusion was the future, just around the corner, the source of "energy forever."

Probably, those perfessers are all dead now, like the lies they told us about pie-in-the-sky technology. "Too cheap to meter." Right.

9 posted on 06/22/2006 7:38:55 PM PDT by hinckley buzzard (National Youtyh conference on the Atom)
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To: Fusion; ninenot; sittnick; steve50; Hegemony Cricket; Willie Green; Wolfie; ex-snook; FITZ; ...

Fusion, where are you when we need you?


10 posted on 06/22/2006 7:39:51 PM PDT by A. Pole (Fusion: "Dry is good... Wind is better. Forces of freedom on the march! Europe trembles!")
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To: A. Pole; aculeus
"Fusion, where are you when we need you?"

We are at that stage in fusion development where once we stood in aviation. The learned scientist has pronounced it impossible.

Whoopee! It shouldn't be too much longer now!

We have the superconductors, and the powerful magnets. We have a functional design philosophy.

We need to concentrate on finding or creating the proper materials, and an elegant design of them which will allow for repeatable fusion conditions.

I find it curious that there was no mention of a pinch tube.

11 posted on 06/22/2006 7:49:38 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I never submit to IQ tests. That way, I can honestly say that my IQ can not be measured.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist
Nothing but a pipe dream. If it sounds so good, private firms would have leaped in and spent millions already.

Libertarian dogma alert.

You are in sore need of taking a basic microeconomics class. Pay particular attention to the section on externalities and public goods.

12 posted on 06/22/2006 7:53:24 PM PDT by curiosity
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It would be unlike God to dangle these luscious grapes so close, and continually snatch them back out of our reach.

You're still talking about fusion right?

14 posted on 06/22/2006 7:58:36 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: A. Pole
It will come in time.

In the mean time, with Yucca mountain open, existing breeder reactor technology, and hydrogen-powered automobiles, we're very close to being able to supply all our energy needs with fission. If we had the political will, we could be there within a decade.

I really wish president Bush would be spending his political capital on something like this rather than illegal alien amnesty insanity. Kind of shows where his priorities lie.

15 posted on 06/22/2006 8:00:35 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: aculeus
In 1974 I had a job interview at the Oak Ridge Laboratory where I met some top nuclear scientists. I asked one about fusion power. And the answer was, It was possible only if there was a realistic way to contain the reaction. But that was a long time ago.
16 posted on 06/22/2006 8:01:46 PM PDT by oyez (Appeasement is insanity)
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To: coconutt2000; oyez; curiosity
"You're still talking about fusion right?"

Yes, one of the few areas where faith and science can safely mingle.

It appears that the principle sticking point at the moment, as it has always been, is containment. Clearly, the fusion initiation has to occur in staged development. The large containment and acceleration rings will simply be the preboost devices. It may even be necessary or advisable to separate the Deuterium from the Tritium, and have them orbiting in individual tracks, and opposite directions.

Then at the appropriate moment, all elements are brought together in a single area -- Deuterium nucleii from the left, Tritium nucleii from the right, injected microwave energy, perhaps some specially tuned laser excitement, and a magnetohydrodynamic quenching system to extract the energy and provide initial cooling.

It may be that this special portion of the chamber has to be built almost atom by atom, in order to channel and contain the physical stresses and the heat, but we have learned much about such assembly in recent microelectronic construction.

Eventually, the right combinations of the right forces and materials will be found. Then the fusion generating plants will begin to shrink in size and cost.

Ad astra per aspera.

17 posted on 06/22/2006 8:18:08 PM PDT by NicknamedBob (I never submit to IQ tests. That way, I can honestly say that my IQ can not be measured.)
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;-) Ah, okay...

I was wondering because you mentioned "luscious grapes" and described them as a forbidden fruit, all with a touch of frustration.


18 posted on 06/22/2006 8:24:22 PM PDT by coconutt2000 (NO MORE PEACE FOR OIL!!! DOWN WITH TYRANTS, TERRORISTS, AND TIMIDCRATS!!!! (3-T's For World Peace))
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To: NicknamedBob

just for some out of the box, wild thinking.

i was thinking that if you had the proper nanotech to exactly position the atoms, had a solution for the wave equations and could produce the proper interference, you could get quantum fusion, atom by atom

of course, all this is impossible now, but maybe later.


19 posted on 06/22/2006 8:27:10 PM PDT by staytrue (Moonbat conservatives-those who would rather have the democrats win.)
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To: aculeus
Prospect Magazine (UK)

Why, it will never work. Nothing ever works! ...pie in the sky. ...foolishness! Get back to work.


;-)
20 posted on 06/22/2006 8:30:03 PM PDT by familyop ("Either you're with us, or you're with the terrorists." --President Bush)
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