Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article

To: GourmetDan
You did notice that this is a 'deduction', and not a fact didn't you?

Huh? This is the way that ALL scientific theories are tested, by DEDUCING their empirical implications, and comparing those implications to the FACTS. Both deduction (from a theory or other claim rich in empirical implications) AND facts are required.

Facts simply are as they are. They don't bear any significance in and of themselves. They have to be analyzed as consistent or inconsistent with some theory which bears implications wrt their state: that attempts to account for them, and that risks potential falsification in doing so.

The linked material explicitly lays out both the deductions from macroevolution/common descent (including potential falsifications) AND the FACTS which confirm them (and which easily could have -- but don't -- falsify them).

You do remember that I asked for a fact don't you?

No, I don't remember that, because that's not what you asked me, as clicking back through the "To" links will readily reveal.

You asked for evidence that uniquely supports evolution. I gave you a link to the "29+ Evidences for Macroevolution". You asked me to pick one "which [...] you think uniquely supports evolution and we will discuss". I picked section 4, "The Molecular Sequence Evidence." I invited you to take the section as a whole, or pick a particular example therefrom.

If you've decided you don't want to discuss, then fine. Just say so. Or don't reply. You needn't throw a fit of revisionism.

...however... If all you want is "a fact," then here's one:

I am sitting as I type this.

Also,

There's a pebble in my pocket. It's black.

That's a couple more facts. How many more do you want?

If you ONLY want facts, and don't care about their status wrt to deductions from scientific theories, then of course any facts will do equally well.

727 posted on 07/03/2006 2:47:00 PM PDT by Stultis (I don't worry about the war turning into "Vietnam" in Iraq; I worry about it doing so in Congress.)
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 724 | View Replies ]


To: Stultis

That's right. All theories work that way, evolution is just untestable because the time frames are too large for the assumption to be accurately tested.

Instead, we get assumptions based on very very short time-frames that are then extrapolated. Nothing 'scientific' about that.

Again, correct on what facts are. And since no *fact* uniquely supports evolution, it is merely which interpretation you prefer. Again, nothing 'scientific' there. I also provided a link which comes to the exact *opposite* conclusion on the same facts. Therefore, these 'facts' do not uniquely support evolution.

That's my point. There are no *facts* that uniquely support evolution. Stop pretending that your interpretation is the only possibility and you will get more respect.

And yes I did ask for a *fact*. See post #292. You are Stultis, right? That post was to Stultis, right?

I also see that you recognize what facts are now. I can tell you categorically that the *fact* that you are 'sitting as you type' and 'have a black pebble in your pocket' do not uniquely support evolution. Now tell me which *fact* uniquely supports evolution or admit that you have none.

I already know that you don't have any, but it might be good for the other evos to see that *fact* as well.






728 posted on 07/03/2006 5:45:55 PM PDT by GourmetDan
[ Post Reply | Private Reply | To 727 | View Replies ]

Free Republic
Browse · Search
News/Activism
Topics · Post Article


FreeRepublic, LLC, PO BOX 9771, FRESNO, CA 93794
FreeRepublic.com is powered by software copyright 2000-2008 John Robinson