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To: Jeff Head
We're at war. Nothing of this sort would have been, or should have been, allowed during a conflict such as WW II.

Ah yes, the 'we're at war' mantra. And a comparison to WWII even. Let's consider a few facts (I realize they don't matter in tin foil land but let's have a go, eh?)

1) Exactly who are we 'at war' with? Contrary to Republican talking points (the few sensible ones they do have), 'conservatives' would turn this into a re-creation of the Crusades. If that's the case we'll be 'at war' for literally decades. What else would you have government agencies 'protect'? What do you expect the DOD to do? If the enemy (who isn't defined in this case or at least open to change) can get the information from anywhere, what's it going to do to stop Google (or NASA) from publishing these photos to the general public? Perhaps we should make all of space a part of national security?

2) The comparison to WWII is ridiculous. At that point the United States was at war with a defined military power. What does Iran have? Four planes and a slew of religious nuts? Face it, no one we are currently 'at war' with compares to the military might the US faced during WWII.

Any information the terrorists can get, contrary to 'conservative' belief, is not from Google, NASA (a government agency that releases much of the same information), or any other public forum.

102 posted on 06/22/2006 7:13:22 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears
Ah yes, the 'we're at war' mantra.

Don't understand it, do you. Or still can't pick a side, as you seem outright concerned for "the freedom" of America's enemies, who in reality deserve not a glimpse of our military facilities.

105 posted on 06/22/2006 9:23:25 PM PDT by Golden Eagle (Buy American. While you still can.)
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To: billbears
You know...you're attempts to trivialize and what I consider to be a patronizing manorism are getting tiring.

Who are we at war with?

Organized groups of people and countries who are both actively trying to kill us., or getting themselves into position to. People who despise our way of life and very freedom, for whatever reason, and have proven themselves wholly dedicated to fighting us.

They are not just the Islamic extremists, but those are the ones at the forefront now. The geo-political landscape is defining itself and sides are being drawn up.

If you can't see these things, or don't believe them, fine...you have every right as I have already said to your opinion and view. Speak to a few of our people who have been over in Iraq and Afghanistan facing these enemies up close and personal. Talk to the many who are re-upping to keep in that fight...speak to the Iraqi people themselves who are signing up by the hundreds of thiosuands and dieing in the same fight.

Your attempts to somehow trivialize these things reflects, at least IMHO, on an intrinsic weakness in your own arguements.

So, say what you will...we are at war. We are fighting dedicated enemies currently, and we have other ideological rivals who are building up and joining together to oppose us. Many of them are traditional state powers (Afghanistan was one, Iraq was one, Iran is one, N. Korea is one, I believe China is one and so is Venezuela). They are forging alliances, understandings, pacts, etc.

Iran and N. Korea either have or soon will have nuclear capabilty...that alone puts them beyond the class of enemies we fought in World War II in terms of their potential for harm. Sorry, but your arguements as regards these belligerents just do not hold up from my perspective.

Anyhow, you have certainly expressed ourself regarding the issues, and done so in what I consider to be a fairly arrogant and patronizing manor. As I said, though you have every right to your own opinions (as do I), from my perspective it lessens your position. Nonetheless, I am content to let other readers make up their own minds regarding the issues we have discussed.

106 posted on 06/22/2006 9:28:24 PM PDT by Jeff Head (God, family, country)
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