Episcopalians refuse affirmation of Christ

Virtue Online ^ | June 20, 2006 | Hans Zeiger

[ShadowAce]

...Jesus is God is implicit.

John 14:9 seems to make it pretty explicit.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

[DennisR]

Let me set the record straight: The name of Jesus is the only name by which man can be saved.

I guess I am not welcome by Episcopalians.

[Veeram]

"I asked if you had any Scripture backing up your apparent assertion that only things found explicitly (stated in clear language without any reasoning or thought being necessary to develop a principle from the Scriptural material) in Scripture are to believed."

I don't know if there is a scripture verse backing my "apparent assertion", there maybe. But since all scripture is God-breathed, then it's the only thing I want to believe in.

If scripture is God-Breathed, then why would anyone believe anything else regarding HIS wishes for us ? If God wanted us to know something, it's not like he would forget something very important or mistakenly leave it out. Right ?

[SoothingDave]

John 14:9 seems to make it pretty explicit.

Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father

Seems pretty explicit that the Father is a human being, too.

All I can say is that if you think the doctrine of the Trinity is explictly declared in Scripture you either don't understand the doctrine or you haven't studied the history. It's easy to stand on the shoulders of giants.

SD

[DaveTesla]

It is not knowledge.
When you accept Jesus message, through him you come to God.
Your heart, your eyes and your
ears are opened.
You see what many can not see.
You see it all around you in the world.
You hear what many others can not hear.
You feel what many others can not feel.
You know that you are in this world but will
never be able to be of it. You Know you will never
be perfect or even close to it.
But you will aways know when you are falling or in danger.
You now have a place to hide.
A place to take the burdens and confusions of the world.

[Theoden]

Catholic tradition is based on and tested by Scripture. If one were to take the time and look at various Catholic beliefs and look at the Scriptural base for it (such as honoring Mary, the Papacy, etc..), they would find that it is legitimate, and that most theological differences are matters of faith, but in the end we all believe in the same Christ.

If anyone has doubts about what Catholics truly believe in, just read the Nicene Creed. Our tradition and Church (in addition to Scriptural justification) helps us become closer to Christ, and to fulfill our beliefs in him, and God the Father. The Church is guided by the Holy Spirit, and though is full of sinners, will always be a force for good in this world.

[SoothingDave]

I don't know if there is a scripture verse backing my "apparent assertion", there maybe.

I guess you didn't think this through.

But since all scripture is God-breathed, then it's the only thing I want to believe in.

"All" and "only" are two different words. Really. You can look it up.

If scripture is God-Breathed, then why would anyone believe anything else regarding HIS wishes for us ?

Who said I was going to "believe anything else?" I am talking about the meaning of Scripture and what ways we can glean dogma and doctrine from what is revealed within.

My question, basically, is "are we allowed to read Scripture and then think about it, or must we limit ourselves in belief to only those thing which are stated in a simple fahsion in Scripture?"

The corollary, which you alread danced around is "If we are to limit ourselves to simple statements in Scripture, where in Scripture is this simply stated?"

SD

[Paulus Invictus]

I doubt that they ever were such an organization, but now they are a secular, leftist and irreligious religion well on the way to complete irrelevancy.

The local Episcopal church is headed by a fat female "bishop" with a seriously flawed understanding about what her religion is all about. She leads less than 100 followers and they are fading in number as they die off. In England, the church is known by many as the church with no attendees. We attended (as tourists) a mass at one of the largest cathedrals and we were the only people there except for a visiting choir from Trinidad and two priests.

[ShadowAce]

All I can say is that if you think the doctrine of the Trinity is explictly declared in Scripture...

I never addressed that. I addressed the portion of your comment that said the claim that "Jesus is God" was only implicilty declared in Scripture. I merely showed an explicit declaration. Nothing more.

[SoothingDave]

It is not knowledge.

So will there be people in Heaven who never heard the name "Jesus" or were not able to comprehend that they needed to ask Him for forgiveness?

SD

[ShadowAce]

...must we limit ourselves in belief to only those thing which are stated in a simple fahsion in Scripture?

Sounds like the Mormons.

[Deo volente]

The ultimate goal is the rejection of the supernatural in the Christian religion.

A totally natural religion, allowing one to believe in whatever he pleases.

[BelegStrongbow]

Thank you for the refinement to the idea which you post presents.

[ichabod1]

the church is founded upon tradition and reason

Aren't you leaving one out? Hint: Starts with "Scrip" and ends with the same four letters as "Rapture."

[SoothingDave]

...must we limit ourselves in belief to only those thing which are stated in a simple fahsion in Scripture?

Sounds like the Mormons.

Is that a yes or a no? If a yes, please provide the Scripture which outlines this idea. Thank you.

SD

[Old Professer]

Turning into the Cheyenne Social Club.

[ichabod1]

"He is the STONE WHICH WAS REJECTED by you, THE BUILDERS, but WHICH BECAME THE CHIEF CORNER stone. "And there is salvation in no one else; for there is no other name under heaven that has been given among men by which we must be saved."

That's good but I prefer the old tried and true "I am the Way, the Truth, and the Life. No man comes unto the Father, but by Me." john 14:6"

Personally I believe that God gives every man plenty of chances to repent, and I believe part of the purgatory process allows some of those who did not turn to Christ in life to do so after death, and I don't think that that is apostate thinking. The truth is, we don't know. But ultimately I don't think there is any way through to the Father except through Christ.

[Truth is a Weapon]

ping the record of an apostate church

[Dr. Eckleburg]

Blindingly satanic.

And so it goes...

[ichabod1]

Yeah, it is a lot easier for me to become Catholic (which I have done) than it is for me to witness to my former fellows that they belong to a false church.