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Three US carrier strike groups steam in formation in Pacific Ocean (Awesome photo)
AP via Yahoo! ^ | 6/19/06

Posted on 06/19/2006 12:49:10 PM PDT by dead

The USS Abraham Lincoln, USS Kitty Hawk and USS Ronald Reagan carrier strike
groups steam in formation during a joint photo exercise (PHOTOEX) in preparation
for Valiant Shield 2006 on Sunday, June 18, 2006, in the Pacific Ocean. The
PHOTOEX featured 14 ships as well as 17 aircraft from Air Force, Navy, and
Marine Corp including a B2 bomber. The Kitty Hawk Carrier Strike Group is
currently participating in Valiant Shield 2006, the largest joint exercise in recent
history. Held in the Guam operating area beginning June 19-23, the exercise
involves 28 Naval vessels including three carrier strike groups, more than 300
aircraft and more than 20,000 service members from the Navy, Air Force, Marine
Corps, and Coast Guard. (AP Photo/U.S. Navy, Jarod Hodge) Email Photo Print Photo


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: guam; gwot; jointexercises; nationaldefense; northkorea; shipmovement; usaf; usn; ussabrahamlincoln; usskittyhawk; ussronaldreagan; valiantshield
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To: P8riot
Excellent! I spent almost my entire Navy career on carriers. Send along a big Bravo Zulu to your son from a old Navy Chief.

You bet I will Chief!

181 posted on 06/22/2006 9:00:42 AM PDT by Inyo-Mono (Life is like a cow pasture, it's hard to get through without stepping in some mess. NRA.)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Ready for another monitor ??


182 posted on 06/22/2006 3:30:04 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Brad's Gramma
Caption for above:

The USS Cowpens (CG 63) leads the formation of USS
Lassen (DDG 82), USS John S. McCain (DDG 56), USS
Vandegrift (FFG 48) and USNS Tippecanoe (T-AO 199)
in the Western Pacific Ocean on June 18, 2006,
to start exercise Valiant Shield 2006. The joint
exercise consists of 28 naval vessels including
three carrier strike groups and more than 300
aircraft and approximately 20,000 service members
from the Navy, Army, Air Force, Marine Corps and
Coast. DoD photo by Airman Benjamin Dennis, U.S. Navy.

183 posted on 06/22/2006 3:32:54 PM PDT by STARWISE (They (Rats) think of this WOT as Bush's war, not America's war-RichardMiniter, respected OBL author)
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To: Gorjus

So you really think the Kitty Hawk, with an FFG in train, can make better than 31 knots?

What's the shaft pressure like on a Nimitz when it gets beyond 33 knots?


184 posted on 06/24/2006 10:06:56 AM PDT by hc87
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To: dead

Wow! That's a great picture!


185 posted on 06/24/2006 10:09:44 AM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: RandallFlagg

LOL!!


186 posted on 06/24/2006 10:10:35 AM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: Waverunner

I just set that as my background. It looks awesome! Thanks!


187 posted on 06/24/2006 10:17:00 AM PDT by NRA2BFree
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To: hc87
So you really think the Kitty Hawk, with an FFG in train, can make better than 31 knots?

In reasonably low sea states (less than 4), and with no engineering casualties . . . absolutely.

Hull speed for an aircraft carrier is about 44 kts, and with their hull forms there's no reason they can't make hull speed.

I don't have the book in front of me so I can't remember the author, but I have "Introduction to Naval Architecture" (I know you can get it through Naval Institute Press.) which shows how to calculate top speed for simple displacement hulls. You can also see the calculation at:
http://www.sailingusa.info/cal__hull_speed.htm

The real question is how much past hull speed they can go. If you're not familiar with 'hull speed' you need to go look it up, but the short version is that it's the speed at which the ship's wave pattern approaches the ship's length, and in effect the ship is steaming 'up' its own bow wave. It takes power to do that (unless you transition to planing as a ski boat does). At speeds less than hull speed, the increase in power required for more speed is fairly linear and not particularly challenging.

Also through Naval Institute Press, you can get a series of books on the design history of US warships. The one on Destroyers says that a distinguishing characteristic of destroyers is that they can typically go faster than hull speed. Hence, a Charles F Adams class destroyer (with hull fineness ratio similar to the carrier - the Spruances and Burkes are relatively fat) gets about 37 kts on 70,000 horsepower (20 hp/ton) while a Nimitz class carrier gets about 45 kts (or so, it's classified and I don't know the real number) on 280,000 horsepower (3 hp/ton) because the destroyer has a hull speed of about 25 kts and uses brute force to get faster than that.

The Oliver Hazard Perry class FFGs are rated at 28 kts, but if you check the US Destroyers book you'll see that the US Navy rates ship speed with lots and lots of decrements. For example, it's at sea state 3, with hull fouling equivalent to 6 months at sea, with full fuel, weapons, crew and food, with engines nearing overhaul, etc., etc.

As a result, Perry's have been observed going 38 kts, which is way beyond hull speed.

If I were going into harm's way, in a transition-from-peacetime scenario where ships have not been in continuous combat for months, I'd make sure my escort ships could make a fleet speed of at least 30 kts. Fleet speed for TF 38/58 during combat in WWII was typically 25 kts, and there are multiple examples of carriers with half their engineering plant down due to damage yet still able to make fleet speed.

By the way, this is not all theory. While you're free to think I'm lying, I had a friend (since deceased) who was the engineering duty officer on a FRAM II destroyer sailing as escort on Enterprise when she was making her sea trials. At one point, Enterprise blinkered over to the destroyer that she was going to go make her speed run and she'd come back and get the destroyer later. The Captain called down to my friend and said, "I don't care if this ship blows up, we're not going to let Enterprise leave us behind."

They were up to 37 kts, with all the safeties bypassed . . . and the Enterprise sailed off over the horizon, then came back and rendezvoused with them later.

I don't know what the shaft pressure on a Nimitz at any speed, but I've been in the Engineering spaces of a couple of battleships, and the shafts are a bit bigger than those on your average pickup truck. I don't doubt each can carry its share of the 280,000 hp at which the ship is rated (see "Ships and Aircraft of the US Fleet").
188 posted on 06/24/2006 8:06:05 PM PDT by Gorjus
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