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To: Heyworth
No I am stating that in 1843, according to the US census of 1840 and 1850, Vermont reported no slaves. And yet here in 1862, we have a Representative from the state of Vermont stating clearly that in one town alone, there were approximately 500 slaves. Now either this US Representative is a liar or the citizens of the state of Vermont were not reporting factually. I would tend to believe the US Representative. Which means no matter what bills Vermont passed, slavery was alive (and doing quite well with a ratio of one to six) at least in Woodstock
55 posted on 06/19/2006 5:50:16 PM PDT by billbears (Those who do not remember the past are condemned to repeat it. --Santayana)
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To: billbears; Heyworth; since 1854; Clintonfatigued; AuH2ORepublican; JohnnyZ
"No I am stating that in 1843, according to the US census of 1840 and 1850, Vermont reported no slaves. And yet here in 1862, we have a Representative from the state of Vermont stating clearly that in one town alone, there were approximately 500 slaves. Now either this US Representative is a liar or the citizens of the state of Vermont were not reporting factually. I would tend to believe the US Representative. Which means no matter what bills Vermont passed, slavery was alive (and doing quite well with a ratio of one to six) at least in Woodstock"

Billbears, you completely misread what was stated, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt as a fellow Southerner. ;-) Vermont abolished slavery in 1777, so at no time following statehood was slavery ever permitted. Where you misread the discussion regarding Congressman Collamer and his constitutent, is that they were talking about slavery EN MASSE down South, since none existed in Vermont. The doctor was "charitable" enough regarding some monetary provisions being made for slaves post-emancipation, but when Collamer mentioned that were they to be fully fair towards the soon-to-be former slaves and to take them in in direct proportion to their OVERALL population in the entire country at the time, it would swell the population of tiny Woodstock by 500 persons. The thought of 500 poor people of color coming to town put the good doctor off that notion of emancipation entirely.

I may have the statement backwards what I heard from a Black comedian said some 40 years ago, mentioning the difference of White racism of the North vs. the South. "Up North, they don't care how big you get, just as long as you don't get too close. Down South, they don't care how close you get, just as long as you don't get too big." Northerners could often afford to take very gracious and seemingly generous stances towards Blacks because they lived far away and rarely had to associate with them, but heaven forbid if they ever decided to move in and associate with them beyond a handful. Northerners were noted for sometimes acting in a far more visceral and reactionary way towards Blacks that were "in their face" than their Southern brethren.

60 posted on 06/19/2006 11:33:53 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: billbears
Jim Crow Laws: Vermont

Passed no segregation laws between 1865 and 1957.

1957: Barred public accommodations segregation

Source: The History of Jim Crow

65 posted on 06/20/2006 5:42:57 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu l’aidera)
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