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To: DManA

You said -- "I predict that when we find the key to the "last" door between us and understanding the universe, when we open it we will find........

another door."


That final and most important door -- we will find (and already know, from the Bible) -- is -- Jesus Christ. He describes Himself as that door --

John 10:7-9

7 Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door.



The relevent context for the above is --


John 10:1-18

1 "Most assuredly, I say to you, he who does not enter the sheepfold by the door, but climbs up some other way, the same is a thief and a robber.

2 But he who enters by the door is the shepherd of the sheep.

3 To him the doorkeeper opens, and the sheep hear his voice; and he calls his own sheep by name and leads them out.

4 And when he brings out his own sheep, he goes before them; and the sheep follow him, for they know his voice.

5 Yet they will by no means follow a stranger, but will flee from him, for they do not know the voice of strangers."

6 Jesus used this illustration, but they did not understand the things which He spoke to them.

7 Then Jesus said to them again, "Most assuredly, I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

8 All who ever came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

9 I am the door. If anyone enters by Me, he will be saved, and will go in and out and find pasture.

10 The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy. I have come that they may have life, and that they may have it more abundantly.

11 I am the good shepherd. The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.

12 But a hireling, he who is not the shepherd, one who does not own the sheep, sees the wolf coming and leaves the sheep and flees; and the wolf catches the sheep and scatters them.

13 The hireling flees because he is a hireling and does not care about the sheep.

14 I am the good shepherd; and I know My sheep, and am known by My own.

15 As the Father knows Me, even so I know the Father; and I lay down My life for the sheep.

16 And other sheep I have which are not of this fold; them also I must bring, and they will hear My voice; and there will be one flock and one shepherd.

17 Therefore My Father loves Me, because I lay down My life that I may take it again.

18 No one takes it from Me, but I lay it down of Myself. I have power to lay it down, and I have power to take it again. This command I have received from My Father."



And He is the door to the entire known and unknown universe -- and -- He *upholds* it and keeps it *together* by His own power (being that He is of the tri-une God, the Creator of the universe).

If He did not sustain the universe (as it is now) it would fly apart and melt into intense heat (as it will one day, as the Bible tells us). Jesus Christ is the One who sustains the present universe as we know and observe it.

Regards,
Star Traveler


38 posted on 06/15/2006 8:07:38 AM PDT by Star Traveler
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To: Star Traveler

Can't you religious types leave a science thread alone without spamming it with biblical quotes?


73 posted on 06/15/2006 10:08:19 AM PDT by -YYZ-
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To: Star Traveler
I'm not really very religious, for better or worse, but I wouldn't wish to argue with you as to what part Jesus may play in the possible salvation of humanity from an asteroid strike, or the sun going nova, etc.

If humanity develops the technology and wisdom to forestall such a thing, whether through the ability to flee, to deflect an impact or some other way, Jesus can be given credit, and perhaps rightfully so. OTOH, if humanity is to be saved by old fashioned miracles performed by Jesus in "person," there will still be doubters and rivals, for whatever reason.

In any case, thank you for your thoughts.

143 posted on 06/15/2006 1:55:48 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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