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To Ann Coulter's Critics: "Shut Up And Read"
Charleston City Paper ^ | June 14, 2006 | Michael Graham

Posted on 06/14/2006 9:48:34 AM PDT by suspects

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To: silver charm

I have the audios of all three - Slander, Treason, and Godless. Hearing her read it just emphasizes her dry wit..


161 posted on 06/14/2006 7:09:40 PM PDT by mathluv (Never Forget!)
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To: VadeRetro
I'm aghast. You think less of me than Ann. At least she merits comparison with s pig. Imagine my chagrin reading I am compared to a stump.

And as for ADD, whyh such a mundane, and over-used diagnosis? Can't you at least credit me with, say, Schizoaffective Disorder?

162 posted on 06/15/2006 4:40:38 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: Ichneumon
LOL You and VR are really quite nasty individuals. To me, all the nasty name-calling and sarcasm is a dead giveaway you understand all the recently developed biological knowledge is going to send Darwinism to the same historical dust bin as Marxism.

Of course, the Academy will continue to inflicted by Darwinists even as the Academy is contaminated with Marxists, but, as Saint Robert Dylan sang, You've got to serve somebody...

As to you pinging me, not so much...

163 posted on 06/15/2006 4:46:18 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: Ichneumon
And Jesus calling unto him a little child, set him in the midst of them, And said: Amen I say to you, unless you be converted, and become as little children, you shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven. Whosoever therefore shall humble himself as this little child, he is the greater in the kingdom of heaven. And he that shall receive one such little child in my name, receiveth me.

* Attempts to intellectually bully others is a distinctive trait of those unsure of their ideas.

Dan Rather's advice might be helpful, Courage

164 posted on 06/15/2006 4:51:18 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: bornacatholic
What is missing in your replies to me so far is any sort of response to the problems I have pointed out in Ann's statements. When you want to get around to that, ping me again.
165 posted on 06/15/2006 5:01:12 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: suspects

It's disgusting that the leftists everywhere are writing letters and articles condemning Coulter, and are saying that the killing of Zarqawi wasn't a good thing! I've come to the conclusion that in contemporary PC-dominated America words are worse than actions. There is no such thing as a bad action but one's words are a reason for outrage.


166 posted on 06/15/2006 5:06:09 AM PDT by BooksForTheRight.com (what have you done today to fight terrorism/leftism (same thing!))
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To: bornacatholic

It doesn't matter if what Ann said is true. Most people in the country, who are not politically aware, don't perceive it that way. They view the comment as mean spirited.


167 posted on 06/15/2006 5:34:20 AM PDT by TAdams8591 (Ann Coulter = THE CONSERVATIVE DIVA)
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To: bornacatholic
I'll put some flesh on my previous answer. When I arrived on the crevo threads seven years back, my science background could be summed up as a never-used psych. degree, lots of science-fiction read and written, and fifteen years of subscribing to Scientific American.

Practically all of the materials I use now were either not available then or otherwise unknown to me. Heck, a lot of the interesting finds I use had not even been discovered yet.

I was rather frequently flummoxed by this or that talking point. From the first, I refused to ignore or evade any such data presented. I developed the habit of rethinking out loud.

It would read something like: "OK, from the info available, I have no answer to how the woodpecker's tongue got all mushed around like that. That's a point for you of a sort. If there's a well-known scientific explanation, it's not on the web and I don't know it. But gaps in my personal knowledge aren't proof of much. Does this change the preponderance of evidence a single iota?" Etc.

Ann has butchered fact and logic in her shrill assault on evolution. Dembski, whatever he did do, seems to have done nothing to prevent the disaster. From what I have seen excerpted, it's all risible retreaded creationist talking points. I have substantiated this in at least some detail for you, in addition to critiquing your ID references.

So think out loud a bit for us. Please lose the la-de-dah airy wave-aways, evasions, and changes of subject. Will you be back again on some other thread with the same points I have answered here? If not, have you changed your mind? If so, how do you justify that?

168 posted on 06/15/2006 7:16:28 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: TAdams8591

Agreed, brother. If she had rewritten that sentence she could have saved herself a lot of grief. We all know conservatives are held to higher standards


169 posted on 06/15/2006 10:15:54 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: VadeRetro; Ichneumon
Please lose the la-de-dah airy wave-aways, evasions, and changes of subject.

Proverbs 15...A mild answer breaketh wrath: but a harsh word stirreth up fury

Will you be back again on some other thread with the same points I have answered here?

* You appear to think your answers are some sort of scientific dogma rather than darwinian polemics and that if anyone disagrees about these disputed points then they have revealed themselves as less than human...pig ignorant if you will.

*It appears to me you don't understand you are a particpant in polemics. It does appear to me you think yourself qualified to pose as an authoritative referee in scientific disputes. And I find that an arrogant and amusing conceit.

If not, have you changed your mind?

* You and inch have helped me change my weltanschauung vis a vis darwinists. I find you both thin-skinned, haughty, nasty and obstreperous. You approach, imo, tends to call into question anything you post. Those confident in the quality and accuracy of their arguements tend to be a lot less confrontational and insulting. They let the facts speak for themselves.

*You and inch marry insult and information and you expect us to joyously attend the wedding. I hope you don't think that approach is convincing. It is just the opposite.

170 posted on 06/15/2006 10:45:54 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: bornacatholic
* You and inch have helped me change my weltanschauung vis a vis darwinists. I find you both thin-skinned, haughty, nasty and obstreperous. You approach, imo, tends to call into question anything you post. Those confident in the quality and accuracy of their arguements tend to be a lot less confrontational and insulting. They let the facts speak for themselves.

I'm not going to skip the rest of your post, but this coming from someone singing paeans to Ann Coulter's Godless, needs to be highlited up front as an irony-meter roaster par excellence.

It's going to be hard to settle down and write analytically with you tossing me knee-slappers, but I'll try.

171 posted on 06/15/2006 10:51:43 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro
What part of I FIND... do you not understand?

The putative irony is as non-existent as Stevie Gould's hopeful monsters.

172 posted on 06/15/2006 11:05:05 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: VadeRetro

Now, as O'Reilly says, I'll let youi have the last word. Have a good weekend, brother.


173 posted on 06/15/2006 11:06:40 AM PDT by bornacatholic (Pope Paul VI. "Use of the old Ordo Missae is in no way left to the choice of priests or people.")
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To: VadeRetro
I find you both thin-skinned, haughty, nasty and obstreperous.

You don't understand - if you had long blonde hair, were six foot seven or so, and weighed 75 pounds, those would be good things. But, since you're none of those things, those qualities in you are bad. Don't ask me how that works, but it's true - I've seen it over and over again for the past week or so.

174 posted on 06/15/2006 11:14:36 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: bornacatholic
OK, to the details then.

[Please lose the la-de-dah airy wave-aways, evasions, and changes of subject.]

Proverbs 15...A mild answer breaketh wrath: but a harsh word stirreth up fury

I've been explaining that Ann's work has deficiencies which you have thus far ignored. Your answers have not been so much mild as simply squirmy. You may not like hardball, but you love dodge-ball.

* You appear to think your answers are some sort of scientific dogma rather than darwinian polemics and that if anyone disagrees about these disputed points then they have revealed themselves as less than human...pig ignorant if you will.

Yes, I think my answers are totally factual. Ann's point, never mind how she argues it, is that the accumulated science of the last 150 years is wrong. While so arguing, she also seriously misstates what the science of the last 150 years has even taught us. Thus, in rebutting her, I not only reaffirm the factual and logical basis for what science IS saying but I have to correct her on the TEXT of what science is saying. She gets that much wrong.

If you think it's all simply polemics, you're lost in a world of your own. There's real evidence and it tells a very clear story.

So you're basically saying you're not wrong because THERE ARE NO FACTS. Even Ann doesn't go there. She seems to accept that evidence does mean something, only somehow all of biology and paleontology have messed it up for the entire 20th century and well into the 21st. Luckily, she and Dembski are here to lead us to the truth.

*It appears to me you don't understand you are a particpant in polemics. It does appear to me you think yourself qualified to pose as an authoritative referee in scientific disputes. And I find that an arrogant and amusing conceit.

I write almost nothing of the materials that I cite and at no point rely on my own credentials. This is the ultimate in airy wave-aways. Please select a point of fact and dispute it.

I mean, you've got the nerve to imply that what I have posted is all fantasy. If you can prove any part of it wrong, you've got a Nobel coming.

So stop being so squirmily evasive and get to work.

* You and inch have helped me change my weltanschauung vis a vis darwinists. I find you both thin-skinned, haughty, nasty and obstreperous. You approach, imo, tends to call into question anything you post. Those confident in the quality and accuracy of their arguements tend to be a lot less confrontational and insulting. They let the facts speak for themselves.

Dealt with. If I were tall, leggy, and blonde, could you forgive me being as foaming-at-the-mouth mean, dumb, and wrong as Ann?

I think the main thing Ichneumon and I have done which bothers you is point out that Ann's claims (and yours regarding hers) don't hold water. If you're having a bad time, that's it.

*You and inch marry insult and information and you expect us to joyously attend the wedding. I hope you don't think that approach is convincing. It is just the opposite.

You know, Ann hates people who play the victim game. I don't think you're her type. Try dealing with the text of the arguments presented.

Thus far, all you have as a justification for coming back dumb as a stump on another thread with answered material is that 1) "Evos are all meanies," and 2) "It's all polemics and there are no facts."

That will keep you pretty safe from factual rebutall, yes. It also renders your opinion pretty irrelevant. I invite you to rethink that along with the details we've discussed already.

I continue to recommend doing your rethinking out loud. Gets you away from polemics / apologetics, whatever you call stupid Holy Warrior lawyer games these days. It is possible to explain with some honesty why you think as you think and do as you do, assuming you aren't doing a scummy thing and you know it.

175 posted on 06/15/2006 11:23:02 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: Senator Bedfellow
We seem to have had the same brain spasm. I'm certainly no Ann Coulter.
176 posted on 06/15/2006 11:25:16 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: VadeRetro
I'm certainly no Ann Coulter.

But I am tall-ish.

177 posted on 06/15/2006 11:28:07 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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To: Jeff Chandler

Inigo -- I killed your father.


178 posted on 06/15/2006 11:40:46 AM PDT by Lee'sGhost (Crom!)
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To: VadeRetro
But I am tall-ish.

Ah, but are your hands as manly as Ann's?

179 posted on 06/15/2006 11:44:34 AM PDT by Senator Bedfellow (If you're not sure, it was probably sarcasm.)
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To: bornacatholic
The putative irony is as non-existent as Stevie Gould's hopeful monsters.

I was ready to criticize this as more militantly ineducable nonsense (and I remain pretty sure you meant it that way), but it occurs to me that "Stevie" Gould's hopeful monsters indeed do not exist.

180 posted on 06/15/2006 11:51:32 AM PDT by VadeRetro (Faster than a speeding building; able to leap tall bullets at a single bound!)
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