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EADS Shares in Tailspin on Airbus Delays
AP via Yahoo ^ | June 14, 2006 | Angela Charlton

Posted on 06/14/2006 7:54:14 AM PDT by COEXERJ145

PARIS - Shares of Airbus' parent company plummeted Wednesday after new delays in the delivery of the A380 superjumbo raised questions about the company's management and strategy.

The selloff came after Emirates Airlines said it is reconsidering its order of the double-decker A380, the world's largest passenger aircraft — exacerbating an already delicate situation for European Aeronautic Defense & Space Co. and its largest subsidiary.

Singapore Airlines and Qantas Airways, which also have large A380 orders, said they are seeking talks with Airbus and want compensation. Malaysia Airlines also was reviewing the terms of its agreement with Airbus to buy six A380s.

Singapore Airlines also delivered a second blow to Airbus by annoucing it will buy 20 Boeing 787-9 aircraft for $4.52 billion and take options on another 20 planes. Airbus had hoped the Asian airline would be one of the first and biggest customers for another new model, the A350, that would compete directly with Boeing's 787. But airline and leasing company dissatisfaction with the design of the A350 has led Airbus to consider a costly redesign of the plane, delaying its launch for several years.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Germany; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: a380; airbus; eads
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To: RayChuang88
Actually, it took almost two years for Pratt & Whitney to overcome their JT9D problems with the 747-100. But by then, Boeing had started its design process for the 747-200B with the General Electric CF6-50 engine and the Rolls-Royce RB.211-524 engine, which by the early 1980's overcame the early issues with the 747-100 and by the early 1980's achieved ranges almost as good as the 747-400!

But the 747-100 was still able to be certified and fly in revenue service with the PW JT-9 engines even before all the issues with that engine had been resolved.

Those improvements sure killed the 747SP. Did anyone ever put CF6-80's on a 747SP? What kind of range would it have?

21 posted on 06/14/2006 9:37:22 AM PDT by Paleo Conservative
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To: pabianice

Boeing knows what the problem is, knows how to fix it and has the time to do it.


22 posted on 06/14/2006 9:43:58 AM PDT by Moonman62 (The issue of whether cheap labor makes America great should have been settled by the Civil War.)
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To: nikos1121
Bang on!!! When ole Noel decided it was time to climb the corporate ladder anyone who has been around the block knew the jig was up.

Now he is sitting "upstairs" and we all know that crap runs down. I do not envy the poor guy who took over as he is probably going to be the fall guy.
23 posted on 06/14/2006 10:36:14 AM PDT by lowbuck (The Blue Card (US Passport). . . Don't leave home without it!)
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To: pabianice

Please explain.


24 posted on 06/14/2006 10:43:09 AM PDT by nikos1121
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To: pabianice
With the failure of the fuselage on Boeing's 787, Boeing won't be far behind.

Wrong. Boeing is pretty much in fact on schedule. The Airbus's wings snapped prematurely after they had the whole thing built, short of the 1.5 over-stress.

By the end of 2009 AirBus, they'll still be about 8 months behind their production schedule. Huge cash-flow effect. Disgruntled key customers. The stuff hit the fan from Malaysian Airline System, Qantas Airways, Singapore Airlines and Emirates last September, when all four sought economic damages from Airbus. Wonder what'll hit the fan this time?

Also, Airbus had to add structural reinforcement (weight) to the wings to strengthen them after the wing-snapping test failed earlier than they had predicted. That extra weight adversely impacts payload/range/seat-cost-per-mile. Here's another similar article:

EADS to delay A380 over production woes
International Herald Tribune 06/13/2006
(Copyright 2006)

European Aeronautic, Defense & Space, the parent company of Airbus, said Tuesday that it was pushing back its delivery schedule for its new superjumbo A380s by six to seven months, blaming production-line bottlenecks for the delays. Airbus, Boeing's main competitor, said that it still expected to deliver the first A380 by the end of this year, but would be able to deliver only nine of the new airplanes next year. The late deliveries will reduce operating profit by €500 million, or $628 million, a year from 2007 to 2010, the company said. It was the second six-month delay in production that Airbus has announced in the year since the plane made its maiden test flight.

"The new delays are caused by industrial issues only," the European aircraft maker said in a statement, citing bottlenecks with the plane's electrical systems. "Modifications of electrical systems and reworks have been necessary," which are "progressively disturbing the final assembly flow," it said. John Leahy, Airbus chief commercial officer, told Reuters that the company was still on track to have the plane certified and to deliver its first aircraft to Singapore Airlines by end- 2006, but deliveries in 2007 would be cut to nine aircraft from an original target of 20 to 25. Airbus said there would also be shortfalls of between five and nine planes in 2008 and of around five in 2009. It declined to identify which airlines may be affected.

Airbus shut the assembly line for the A380, the world's largest passenger plane, from May until August last year to configure jet wiring and electronics, prompting it to put off deliveries to Singapore Airlines, and subsequent deliveries to Emirates airline and Sydney-based Qantas.

EADS's operating profit, or earnings before interest, taxes and one-time items, will be reduced by a shift in profit margin to later years, penalties for late delivery to customers and costs related to reorganizing production. A review by Airbus "concluded that further actions are required to secure a ramp-up recovery in 2008 and 2009," the aircraft maker said. It said cash shortfalls would rise from less than 300 million euros in 2006 to more than 1 billion euros by 2008, decreasing sharply thereafter. It said, however, that it would look for "sources of compensation" across the group to try and offset the impact.


25 posted on 06/14/2006 10:46:45 AM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: Comstock1

Yes, that is what I heard as well. The other tests were fine. The results on the one test were anticipated. No surprise to anyone.


26 posted on 06/14/2006 10:54:11 AM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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To: Moonman62
Boeing knows what the problem is, knows how to fix it and has the time to do it.

Well said.

27 posted on 06/14/2006 11:01:43 AM PDT by phantomworker ("I wouldn't hurt you for the world, but you are standing where I am about to shoot..."--Quaker quote)
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To: Paleo Conservative

I do know a few 747SP's were fitted with Rolls-Royce RB.211-524 engines and they had a range approaching 7,000 nautical miles. But what really killed the 747SP was the development (through a project for Japan Airlines) a modified 747-200B with extra fuel tanks and GE CF6-50 engines that could fly between Tokyo and New York City non-stop year-round. Indeed, the current record for the fastest JFK Airport to Narita Airport transit was done by a JAL 747-200B.


28 posted on 06/14/2006 1:27:45 PM PDT by RayChuang88
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To: Paleo Conservative
What killed the 747SP was its higher seat-per-mile cost than the 747-200 and the fact that was it built to fill a niche market.
29 posted on 06/14/2006 1:29:26 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Every person has a photographic memory... but some don't have their flash card installed.)
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To: sam_paine
...pooh-poohing the tech-laden fuel-mizer 787 segment.

Now that's irony. Didn't Airbus get its competitive advantage by using technology to eliminate one of the flight crew?

At least, that's how I remember a case study from b-school.
(And case studies aren't necessarily the real stories...)

30 posted on 06/14/2006 1:46:03 PM PDT by Calvin Locke
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To: Paul Ross

"The late deliveries will reduce operating profit by €500 million, or $628 million, a year from 2007 to 2010, the company said."

But who has to care about budgets and stockholders when a big % of your companies operating expenses is covered by socialist subsidies and sweetheart loans from the EU?
If Airbust had to use their own money for R&D and sell their planes for *gasp!!!* a profit, they would be out of business tomorrow.


31 posted on 06/14/2006 2:45:18 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: Proud_USA_Republican
If Airbust had to use their own money for R&D and sell their planes for *gasp!!!* a profit, they would be out of business tomorrow.

Bump! Totally agreed. Now trying to get the administration to actually do something about it...waiting about five years to even consider bringing the case into the WTO...[where coincidentally the EU outguns us what, 13 to one?]

32 posted on 06/14/2006 3:30:33 PM PDT by Paul Ross (We cannot be for lawful ordinances and for an alien conspiracy at one and the same moment.-Cicero)
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To: phantomworker
From what I read, I heard that they made 9 ( could be test fuselage barrels ) fuselage barrels , and one of them had bubbles in it because the mandrel was machined wrong.
I read that the other fuselage barrels came out ok.
The difference between the A-380 and the 787 having problems is that the A-380 was supposed to be in service by now, and the 787 only was launched 2 years ago.
The 787 is still early in it's design life, were as ? the A-380 was supposed to be delivered by now to a few customers.
33 posted on 06/14/2006 7:16:54 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Comstock1
You are correct, Sir.
I think these are only test fuselage barrels, and one of them had bubbles in it because of the tooling ( mandrel ) was machined wrong.
34 posted on 06/14/2006 7:18:57 PM PDT by Prophet in the wilderness (PSALM 53 : 1 The FOOL hath said in his heart , There is no GOD .)
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To: Yo-Yo
That's going to leave a mark on either BAE or EADS as they try to force EADS to buy back BAE's interest in Airbus.

Who is "they"?

35 posted on 06/14/2006 7:26:36 PM PDT by Doe Eyes
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To: namsman

Have a comment about Post 21?


36 posted on 06/15/2006 5:37:40 AM PDT by SW6906 (5 things you can't have too much of: sex, money, firewood, guns and ammunition.)
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To: SW6906

Answered close enough in post 28.


37 posted on 06/15/2006 7:09:29 AM PDT by namsman
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To: Doe Eyes
BAE is forcing EADS to buy back BAE's 20% stake in Airbus. BAE is planning on using the proceeds to invest in US Defense companies.

If BAE receives current value for their 20% stake, which has plummeted due to these delay announcements, then it will hurt BAE. If, on the other hand, EADS has to buy the 20% stake at the prices of Airbus when EADS exercised their "put" order two weeks ago, then EADS will be hurt.

Hence my convoluted sentence.
38 posted on 06/15/2006 11:43:09 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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