[SoCal Pubbie]

No I am not a historian. I am not I am a liberal either, and since you accused me of being one I question not your background but your judgement.

The fact remains that the Goths were poorly treated by the Romans, or do you disagree with that?

[ClaireSolt]

The point is that it is liberal thinking to blame what they did on someone else. Do I think they were poorly treated and that caused their savageness. No.

The question I posed is why they didn't learn civilized ways in all that time, after hundreds of years of opportunity. They didn't want to. They did not respect civilization. We have a similar problem with Muslims.

Do I think different policies might have had different results? Maybe, although most have thought that the barbarian forces were too great to have been withstood. Similar thing happened in 1454 when Byzantium yielded to the Turks.