Canadian Conservative MP Calls Christian Political Activists “Taliban” and “Flowers of Evil”

LifeSiteNews ^ | 5/9/06 | John Jalsevac

[fanfan]

Thanks Prout.

:-)

[kanawa]

...the wonderful international image of Canada depicted by the Mountie has been replaced by the lovely couple holding hands as they walk down the aisle.

In your mind, cupcake.

So, you elect a new administration and you want everyone to be happy. So, you tell me what has changed.

Wanting everyone to be happy is a fool's dream.

What's changed?
For me... a renewed sense of pride in my country and hope for its future.

For the country...

A government that emphasizes personal responsibility and accountability.
That has lowered taxes and is returning money to parents that they can use for child care of their choice.
A commitment to health care centered on the need of the patient, not the bureaucracy.
Introduction of the Federal Accountability Act, a tough ethics package for politicians,
that will help renew people's trust in their government.
Proposed changes to the Criminal Code for tougher sentencing for violent, repeat or armed criminals,
for more police on the street and greater border security.
A government that stands up for Canada, at home and abroad.
That doesn't shy away from its responsibility to protect Western values and freedoms.

A leader that is articulate and intelligent.
Who has a genuine spirituality
and takes no flak from the opposition or the press.
Who respects our men and women in uniform,
backs them up with deeds and money not just cheap platitudes.
Who is secure in his political beliefs and sees Canada as reason enough to be proud,
not needing to denigrate other states to justify his patriotism or to make cheap political points.

We voted for change and we got it!

[spatso]

Now let me deal directly with you Mr. fanfan. I believe most of the posse are genuinely reflective of people better trying to understand complex issues. You sir, are no different than the last 10 years we have had of self righteous Canadians. You refuse to champion an idea or an issue. You simply wait as any parasite does to try and feed off of the creative energy and initiative of others. Show me the last time you posted something based on your own values and beliefs that goes beyond six lines. You simply wait with a bag of one liners hoping to misdirect discussion into ridicule without reflection. In the school yard you would have been labeled the class bully had you been big enough.

Now to your comment,

"You were discussing Job's life, and you think it's not literal?

What point are you trying to make?"

I re-posted three previous posts from other threads, each one refuting the calculated erroneous assumptions you made of my trying to answer your oft repeated question "what would you do." If you remember you took that response and interspersed from your bag of one liners trying to ridicule both the ideas and myself. The first, saying I did not discuss political ideas, the second, saying my postings were homophobic and, the third, that my postings were about literal Bible interpretations.

So, I assume that since you choose not to comment on 1 or 2 you are recanting on those points. Fine. Now in regard to your comment on three let me tell you something about Biblical scholarship. Literal means a rigid word interpretation of the Bible, for example, if the Bible says God created the world in 7 days it means exactly that and nothing else. As you could see from my posting the exegesis is anything but literal. You can say it is wrong, it is stupid, it is unimportant or lame, but you sure can't call it literal.

[fanfan]

Well said!

[fanfan]

Show me the last time you posted something based on your own values and beliefs that goes beyond six lines.

Some times I only need 6 words to make my point.

Whats your point?

[spatso]

Amen brother.

But, I tell you if you go to the US Congress you will find a whole bunch of Senators and Congressman who believe Canada is soft.

[Fair Go]

After years of hard work to elect a conservative government, Canadian Freepers deserve better than this.

[spatso]

I am sorry, my first answer was too cryptic, I was still irritated by fanfan's lack of intellectual rigor and you deserved a better response than I gave so I went back and reread your post. After GWB was first elected the enthusiasm was exactly as you wrote. Hope is wonderful feeling, especially if you had a part in making that hope come alive. As you know GWB is being attacked from all sides, most viciously, and I think most unfairly, by many in his conservative base. So, there are not a lot of feelings around leadership that has your childlike enthusiasm, and we all need that in difficult times. Perhaps I am a little jealous. Thank you for the pep talk.

[spatso]

"After years of hard work to elect a conservative government, Canadian Freepers deserve better than this."

I am sorry I don't understand. Are you referring to my post regarding attitudes of the US Congress?

[Fair Go]

Absolutely! In this part of the world, we are polite to our neighbours. You find common ground and work with them. For example, Australia and Indonesia are co-operating in the war on terrorism. Just ask John Howard. We don't even bash Kiwis.

[spatso]

Okay, I understand. John Howard has never flinched in his support. If I remember, he stood fast through a national election when everybody said his support of GWB would see him lose the election. I am not sure how you can make a similar case in terms of Canada. The government is part of it. I have no doubt the change in government will help. But, it is not just about leadership. The Canadian people do not seem to recognize how much the world has changed. It is my impression that they have this smug, superior attitude that can only be attributed to a self righteousness that refuses to see or comprehend the choices they have made. When a friend or acquaintance lets you down or betrays you it can be hurtful. But, when a family member, a brother, betrays you it is a cut that plunges deep into your heart. Do not think for a moment that members of Congress do not have fragile hearts in this time of turmoil.

[Fair Go]

I think what you say applies to the Liberals but not the conservatives. I see Stephen Harper as a leader in the mould of John Howard. That has to be good for US/Canadian relations and for all of us concerned with the march of terrorism.

[spatso]

"I see Stephen Harper as a leader in the mould of John Howard. That has to be good for US/Canadian relations and for all of us concerned with the march of terrorism"

He could be, I don't know. Anything I have read on him stresses that he is very smart and very much in charge of a tight ship. I know it really upsets the Canadian posters to use a word like soft, but in the circumstances it is both appropriate and fair. Some people want to assume a new conservative Canadian government immediately means all is forgotten and forgiven. Perhaps, but I don't think so. I have obviously failed in trying to explain the link between gay mounties and Canada's image in terms of foreign policy. Symbols are very important. So, when you see a symbol as powerful as the world famous Mounties being caricatured as the happy gay couple, can we not ask so what has changed? When a government appears to endorse their being married in their dress uniforms it appears as the same old, same old.

[GMMAC]

"The Canadian people do not seem to recognize how much the world has changed. It is my impression that they have this smug, superior attitude that can only be attributed to a self righteousness that refuses to see or comprehend the choices they have made. When a friend or acquaintance lets you down or betrays you it can be hurtful. But, when a family member, a brother, betrays you it is a cut that plunges deep into your heart."

Horse Poop !!!
Did Canadian conservatives run around whining like little girls blaming the terrible Americans & claiming we'd been stabbed in the heart when that seditious fat bastard Michael Moore came up here & interfered in our last 2 elections to the extend of stridently urging his fellow travelers to vote against our candidates ???

NO !!!
We wrote him off for for the commie POS he is & went out & won the second one!
(... and, because we're not liberals, the citizenship Moore habitually betrays didn't even enter into it!)

Unlike some faint hearts Stateside, Canadian conservatives have never had any difficulty in differentiating our friends from our enemies:

Then Official Opposition Leader Stephen Harper
addresses "Stand With America" Rally
(one of many held across Canada)
Toronto, April 4, 2003

[spatso]

Geez, I thought you had all gone to bed.

There is nothing more sacred than human life. The sacrifice of a young man or women is beyond comparison in the pain it must cause to those who love them. For that reason I will not comment on that part of your post. I don't post on any of the threads dealing with Iraq because people tend to politicize the loss of human life. I read the threads and I would not say their comments are wrong, but it is just something I am not comfortable doing.

In regard to the energy and sacrifice of Canadian conservatives being able to elect a new government and, in regard to the interference of Michael Moore you are entirely correct. But, how many Americans do you think even know there has been a change of government? And, I know you don't like for me to say it but, I don't think anything changes in US Canada relations until there is a substantive change. Did you not hear the speech of the US Congressman who wants to build a fence between the US and Canada because of your home grown terrorism problem?

[spatso]

Oops, I was reading another thread and mixed some of the commentary there with your post. Please ignore my first paragraph.

[Fair Go]

And don't forget Bill Clinton has been interfering in Canadian politics on behalf of the defeated Liberals.

[GMMAC]

"I don't think anything changes in US Canada relations until there is a substantive change."

As numerous members of your Administration - from Pres. Bush on down - have already acknowledged they perceive just such a major positive improvement, it's about time you got with the program.

"Did you not hear the speech of the US Congressman who wants to build a fence between the US and Canada because of your home grown terrorism problem?"

Yes ... & we have emotional and/or opportunistic idiots up here as well who seem to believe it's OK to ignore fundamental economic realities just as long as their name gets spelled correctly in the papers. (... yawn!)

[spatso]

"Yes ... & we have emotional and/or opportunistic idiots up here as well who seem to believe it's OK to ignore fundamental economic realities just as long as their name gets spelled correctly in the papers. (... yawn!)"

You know that is exactly the self righteous, dismissive Canadian attitude that I am talking about. I don't know very much about Congressman Hostetler?? but he is conservative and he has a point of view that reflects a lot of the thinking of everyday Americans. When you talk like that, people like me will wonder if anything has really changed. You guys just don't get it and, maybe you never will.

[Fair Go]

Nations have to move on and not perpetuate old grievances. Australia fought the Turks in World War 1 and Japan in World War 2 and now has good relations with both. The same could be said for many other countries, including the US, Canada and Britain.