Posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:21 PM PDT by Spiff
Dude, have you been drinking?
Maybe the Pence bill is the best anybody can get this year. As you can see, however, the unappeaseables will still kick and scream and piss and moan that it's a "sellout." And Tancredo will try to kill it.
I've already told you the Senate doesn't support it. Pence's excellent bill is going nowhere in the Senate. That means that the House will stand firm and kill the Senate bill.
Exactly. The dirty little secret of this entire debate is that a large number of illegal immigration opponents, like FAIR, actually oppose legal immigration as well.
No it will also kill the House Bill since the House cannot pass it unilaterally. SO, what have you gained? I know what Tancredo gains but what about the Borderbots?
I doubt the House GOP will be blamed solely for the lack of any bill.
If anything, I think We The People will vote in a much more conservative House.
I just heard on Hannity that the CA-50 race between Bilbray (R) vs the democrat has just broken wide in favor of the enforcement-first Bilbray.
Ah, I see.
You want the House to conferee with the AMNESTY Senate bill, but you don't want the Senate to take up the House bill.
Just like RINOs who want conservatives to hold their noses and support them, but when conservatives run, feh, they can't win let 'em die.
IT's not what I want, it is what is now happening. Geeze.
"...its an anti immigration movement period."
If a pipe breaks in my house, I shut off the water. That doesn't mean I intend to do without water from now on. It just means I need to get the leak under control before I let any more come down the pipe.
Some sort of moratorium on immigration for a few years till we figure out where we are would not be unreasonable. By then we could put in place something similar to the systems that Australia or New Zealand have, where an immigrant needs to have something to offer TO his new homeland rather than what he can take FROM it.
By your logic, then, President Bush never offered a solution regarding "saving" Social Security, since it was a near-dead certainty at the time he proposed it that it would never be passed.
So there'll be no bill. From a GOP-controlled Congress that the voters are looking to for immigration reform.
And don't kid yourself. Most voters do not distinguish between the House and the Senate. They'll hold the GOP responsible, and the House will go to the Democrats.
But, Tancredo would have his issue, and he'd be sucking gullible FReepers dry of their hard-earned cash for his quixotic fantasy.
The House exposing themselves as rejecting amnesty is a winner for the House. The Senate will expose themselves when forced to vote on border enforcement issues and the rats and rinos in the senate will lose big.
America will reject their white minority schemes.
The House exposing themselves as rejecting amnesty is a winner for the House. The Senate will expose themselves when forced to vote on border enforcement issues and the rats and rinos in the senate will lose big.
America will reject their white minority schemes.
Which is just as well. No bill is better than the bad bill the senate wants. There is no grass roots push for "Comprehensive" reform. It's just another ploy by the WH to shove this crap down our throat.
But you and your three supporters go ahead and keep trying.
We are not buying.
No, by my logic, Tom Tancredo is a one trick pony that knows he has to do everything in his power to keep this issue from resolution.
That's because Busby made a stupid "you don't need any papers to vote" remark, then repeated it. She's too dumb to hold elective office.
As for a more conservative House, that's fine. I'd like that too. But, if there's no bill, the immigration issue is dead for at least two years.
You didn't address my point, so I'll assume you're conceding it.
I just hope the House will not compromise. The bill the senators passed is insane, a sure way to destroy this country. Amazing that so many of our senators are bought off or against this Country.
BTW, the other day I turned on the TV as a press conference was in progress regarding that horrible murder of an entire family in Indianapolis. Just then the conference switched to Spanish. (And Greta cut off the broadcast).
Bush did not "push" to have the Dairy support program removed in 2004 and in 2005.
Beg to differ on your comment; Tancredo follows the wish of the people, who demand to close the border immediately as I do.
OTOH you state that he has not responded constructively enough to the Prez Bush/Senate approach of guest worker program.
Well the American people, myself included can care less about an illegal guest program, courtesy of Prez Bush'es/Senate agenda. That's not the point!
The point is the American people want the Borders sealed shot, and enforce the existing laws against everyone employing illegals! Period!
Give it time to work it out, and we can move to the next stage.
Ping for later reading
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