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No (House Republicans vs. Senator Frist’s amnesty plan. )
National Review Online ^ | 5 June 2006 | Rep. Tom Tancredo

Posted on 06/05/2006 4:51:21 PM PDT by Spiff

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To: tame
"BTW, I'm not being sarcastic. I really support Tancredo for President."

The Dems would love that about as much as we would like to see them nominate Boxer.

321 posted on 06/05/2006 10:30:13 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: Texasforever
I guess since 70% of the country is now against the war he should just pull our troops out too.

Why do you think a majority of the country is against the war? Sure the MSM is grotesquely biased but Bush shares a good portion of the blame. He's no Reagan. His communication team sucks and his second term (Harriet Miers, Dubai, Katrina, SS reform, immigration "deform") makes the keystone kops look professional.

Think how far the white house has fallen since November 2004. Bush and his team are largely to blame. I'm not happy about it but there is no point in denying reality.

322 posted on 06/05/2006 10:32:23 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: Earthdweller
The Dems would love that about as much as we would like to see them nominate Boxer.

Or Conyer

323 posted on 06/05/2006 10:32:44 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Maynerd
Why do you think a majority of the country is against the war? Sure the MSM is grotesquely biased but Bush shares a good portion of the blame. He's no Reagan

Yep he is no Reagan. He hasn't ran from the Middle east yet.

324 posted on 06/05/2006 10:33:55 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Extremely Extreme Extremist

Apparently you've never read it. Pence's bill takes care of the borders & addresses the "what do we do with the 12-20 million illegals here?" problem.

I am very familiar with it. His solution is to send them out a week to Ellis Island centers and then bring them back for eventual citizenship.

"Under his[Pence] proposal, illegal immigrants would be required to leave the country to get a guest worker visa. They would be processed through placement centers, or what he called "Ellis Island centers," run by private U.S. firms.

Pence said the process could be completed within a week, causing minimal disruption to the immigrants and their employers. Applicants would have to go through background checks. Visas for the program would be renewable three times, for a total of six years, but only if applicants passed an English proficiency test after the first two years.

"After the third term, they have to apply for permanent legal residence or leave," said Matt Lloyd, a spokesman for Pence.

But the plan met immediate resistance from Rep. Tom Tancredo (R-Colo.), leader of House Republicans who oppose moves toward legalizing undocumented immigrants.

"Mike Pence is making the same mistakes that the president has — using the straw man of mass deportations and redefining amnesty to suit his interests," Tancredo said. He added that he was baffled by Pence's shift from an enforcement-only position

Only Nixon Could Go to China, and Only Pence Could Sell Amnesty to the House

325 posted on 06/05/2006 10:33:59 PM PDT by kabar
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To: rock58seg

Well he was seating US Senator from the same State that was also a Republican. I mean for pure Party unity you have to do those things. Plus Spectre supported him in his reelection in 2000 so it was the proper thing to do imho


326 posted on 06/05/2006 10:34:35 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: kabar

Mike Pence because of his thinking outside the box has gained some respect from me. He showed some guts there and if he throws his weight behind his proposal I think I might start paying more attention to him


327 posted on 06/05/2006 10:37:16 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: Texasforever

I ask them. We have allowed Hispanics into our formerly all Germanic heritage family for over thirty years now. It's only in the last two years we've opened up to the Irish and Israeli's. So it's simple. You ask them or engage in conversation.

Of course one needs to be around Hispanic surnamed people to do that. But, then on the West side of San Antonio, and almost everywhere else in San Antonio one can find someone with a Hispanic surname if they try hard enough.

Remember my qualifier was, the ones I meet.


328 posted on 06/05/2006 10:40:01 PM PDT by rock58seg (A minority of Republican RINO's are making a majority of Republicans look like fools.)
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To: Texasforever
Yep he is no Reagan. He hasn't ran from the Middle east yet.

That's a howler. Reagan was revitalizing our moribund economy and destroying the Soviet Empire. But Reagan's a wimp compared to the omniscient W. Your myopic loyalty to all things W suggest a certain kinship. Is that you Barbera (Bush)?

329 posted on 06/05/2006 10:42:54 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: rock58seg
Remember my qualifier was, the ones I meet.

That's fine. We all have our own experiences that shape our opinions one way or the other. Just remember though that Humans are by nature tribal and when they perceive , rightly or wrongly, people like themselves being mistreated they may take it personally.

330 posted on 06/05/2006 10:44:50 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: KoRn
Frist couldn't undo the immigration crap from the position of MAJORITY leader. He's done.

I wouldn't bet on it. Politicians count heavily on the forgetfulness of the American public, as well as the ignorance and apathy.

FReepers are a special breed; we live in our own small highly-informed world, unlike the ill-informed apolitical majority in this country.

With a good ad man, Frist could go far. So could McCain. The vast majority of people in this world don't care about truth and politicians dam* well know it. He's not finished until the PTB say so.

331 posted on 06/05/2006 10:46:32 PM PDT by La Enchiladita (God Bless Our Troops...including U.S. Border Patrol, America's First Line of Defense)
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To: Maynerd
Friend Reagan talked a good game on a lot of fronts. Bush is not a good talker but he actually does what he says he will do. Reagan ran like a scalded dog from Beirut. That is a fact and nothing you can say will change that. If you want to compare Reagan favorably to Bush then bring it on because I have history on my side not a mythical conservative colossus that many of you have created.
332 posted on 06/05/2006 10:48:07 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: rock58seg; Texasforever

I will say this there is no doubt that Hispanic Americans are against illegal immigration. The problem is that there is disagreement about how to do it. Most Hispanic Republican groups have come out for the Presidents plan and also tough border enforcement. The Republican Hispanic assembly etc.

However, I am getting a feeling from many Hispanic Republicans that they are getting a tad tired of not having their views heard. Including the head of the Texas Hispanic Assembly chapter that in comments he has made over the weekend, after he and others attended the Texas Republican Convention. This is a guy that supports getting rid of Birth Right Citizenship I believe and is no radical. Of course I think you were there and can give greater insight into that perhaps than what I read in the Sat and Sun Texas media.


333 posted on 06/05/2006 10:49:38 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: kabar
"Under his[Pence] proposal, illegal immigrants would be required to leave the country to get a guest worker visa. They would be processed through placement centers, or what he called "Ellis Island centers," run by private U.S. firms."

Believe it or not the "architect" is still correct. The country is center right. A compromised bill must pass to satisfy the majority. Do you have a better plan to satisfy the whole country?

334 posted on 06/05/2006 10:50:02 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: tame
BTW, I'm not being sarcastic. I really support Tancredo for President.

That makes a great campaign slogan.


335 posted on 06/05/2006 10:57:29 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: FreeReign

LMAO


336 posted on 06/05/2006 11:02:56 PM PDT by catholicfreeper (Proud supporter of Pres. Bush and the Gop-- with no caveats, qualifiers, or bitc*en)
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To: Texasforever
"...I have history on my side not a mythical conservative colossus that many of you have created."

IMHO...Bush has been left kissing dirt by the party extremists. Now he and the admin are just listening to the real majority of the American people. In essence, being a true father of the nation as a whole.

337 posted on 06/05/2006 11:21:16 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: Texasforever
If you want to compare Reagan favorably to Bush then bring it on because I have history on my side

Your post is incontrovertible evidence that Bushbotism is a form of dementia.

338 posted on 06/05/2006 11:22:32 PM PDT by Maynerd
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To: Maynerd
I'll tell ya what. I am going to bed but you go ahead and post all of the things Reagan did that places him above Bush in actual accomplishments. I will then respond when I come back on line.
339 posted on 06/05/2006 11:26:57 PM PDT by Texasforever (I have neither been there nor done that.)
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To: Maynerd
"Your post is incontrovertible evidence that Bushbotism is a form of dementia."

How's it feel to slam the majority of Americans who happen to be center right as Bush is? Must feel good way out there in the far-out right field waiting for another pop fly for your precious 2004 vote.

Just how many times does Bush have to kiss your arse to make you happy? You people are insatiable.

340 posted on 06/05/2006 11:32:49 PM PDT by Earthdweller
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