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What Happens When There Is No Plan B? (or Conservatives made me have an abortion)
Washington Post ^ | Sunday, June 4, 2006 | Dana L

Posted on 06/04/2006 5:34:02 AM PDT by Fzob

The conservative politics of the Bush administration forced me to have an abortion I didn't want. Well, not literally, but let me explain.

I am a 42-year-old happily married mother of two elementary-schoolers. My husband and I both work, and like many couples, we're starved for time together. One Thursday evening this past March, we managed to snag some rare couple time and, in a sudden rush of passion, I failed to insert my diaphragm.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial
KEYWORDS: babykiller; bushhaters; postabortivewomen
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To: Ichneumon

Thanks for the clarification. I anticipated that fellow FR readers might be closer to the geographic area I cited, and in a followup reply to linda_22003's post I stated I welcomed the clarification.

Weather does have a tendency to be fickle in the area. That's why I posted the links to the weather info I was reading.


181 posted on 06/04/2006 12:17:19 PM PDT by Crolis ("Good fences make good neighbors.", Robert Frost)
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To: Ichneumon
Do yourself a favor a Google "morning after pill".

Then tell us all how this smart lawyer was forced to have an abortion because she couldn't get this medication in time.

I'm also curious to know what the reasons are for a husband not to get a vasectomy to protect his wife from pregnancy after they have determined their family is complete.
182 posted on 06/04/2006 12:20:55 PM PDT by BigBobber
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To: Crolis

Very true! I warned a friend in Alexandria about the heavy weather she was coming into one day in Fairfax, and the sun was out where she was. The towns aren't even ten miles apart.


183 posted on 06/04/2006 12:21:46 PM PDT by linda_22003
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To: Ichneumon; mreerm
"Are those just *information* sites, or actual *order* sites? And can they be ordered without a prescription or doctor's "okay"?"
"Did you actually find any sites that offered to FEDEX pills to people without a doctor's approval?"

So you're saying you're too lazy to search to get the information for your own self, like the lazy female lawyer?

If it gets there after, say, 71 hours, it's only 1/72 as effective (i.e., 1/72 as likely to catch the egg before it ovulates in the necessary timespan compared to getting it early in the 72-hour window)."

The time constraints were evident. But that issue became moot because: "I figured I'd take my chances and hope for the best." She got the results weeks later.

"She's doing it now -- she's writing an editorial to try to help lessen the pointless restrictions on the availability of this contraceptive."

I understood the point of her politicized, religion bashing editorial. But as with Upton Sinclair's The Jungle" in which a pitch for socialism was disguised as an attack on the meat packing industry, she missed her mark. Instead of effectively educating the readers on why the policies worked against people like her who might need this medication, she only succeeded in publicly making a total ass of herself.

184 posted on 06/04/2006 12:33:27 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Enterprise

"I understood the point of her politicized, religion bashing editorial. But as with Upton Sinclair's The Jungle" in which a pitch for socialism was disguised as an attack on the meat packing industry, she missed her mark. Instead of effectively educating the readers on why the policies worked against people like her who might need this medication, she only succeeded in publicly making a total ass of herself."

I agree. In fact, you can log on to the Washington Post tomorrow and let her know just how loathsome she is, lol. You have to register and then log on to the "discussions".

Per the WP:
"Dana L. will be online Monday, June 5, at noon ET to discuss her Sunday Outlook article and the continuing political debate over the "morning-after" pill that has made Plan-B unavailable to American women."

Unavailable? Who are they kidding? More lies. Also, the "morning after pill" is only 80% effective, according to the following from the Mayo Clinic website, and some studies put it at as low as 75-70% effective. So even if she took it, she would still have a 20-30% chance of being pregnant.


From the Mayo Clinic website:
"The morning-after pill is designed to be taken within 72 hours of intercourse with a second dose taken 12 hours later. Side effects may include nausea, vomiting, abdominal pain, fatigue and headache. According to the Food and Drug Administration, the morning-after pill is 80 percent effective in preventing pregnancy after a single act of unprotected sex."



185 posted on 06/04/2006 1:01:33 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: khnyny; Salvation; NYer

Ping, or is it bump, lol?


186 posted on 06/04/2006 1:09:07 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: khnyny

Thank you khnyny. The author could have done more IMO, and she could have shared information like you shared. She didn't, and it just makes me believe that her intent was political, not educational. And maybe you can answer a question for me. Does planned parenthood have doctors who will prescribe the medication she was wanting, and does Planned Parenthood have information on which pharmacies will fill those prescriptions? The reason I ask is that Planned Parenthood evidently has no hesitation to conceal evidence of statutory rape, so why would they be hesitant to steer patients to sources for the "morning after" pill?


187 posted on 06/04/2006 1:43:48 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: linda_22003; Crolis; Ichneumon
And were you here in Washington that day?

I was. Well, we were at the festival on 4/09, anyway, but I can confirm your account of the weather on Saturday the 8'th - it was quite nasty that day, with tornado warnings and heavy rain and the whole nine yards, as I recall. It made the final day of the festival on the 9'th a bit of a disappointment - virtually all the trees had been stripped of their blossoms by the wind and rain the day before, so the last day of the cherry blossom festival was extremely short on actual cherry blossoms ;)

Just figured I'd add to the eyewitness accounts :^)

188 posted on 06/04/2006 1:44:49 PM PDT by Senator Bedfellow
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To: prairiebreeze

I heard about this article this morning although I hadn't read it. Unreal and selfish to the extreme. This is really a shocking read and blaming the president for her abortion is really a new low even for the left.


189 posted on 06/04/2006 2:31:50 PM PDT by Peach (If you can't stand behind our military, stand in front of them.)
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To: hocndoc

Thanks for the information, and the study citation.

Mrs VS


190 posted on 06/04/2006 2:33:42 PM PDT by VeritatisSplendor
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To: BigBobber
Your suggestion was much faster than what I did.

"Buy Plan B Online
FDA Approved Medication, $20 Refill Order Discount
Express UPS Shipping, US Certified Doctors & Pharmacies" link

It offers overnight air for 15.99.

191 posted on 06/04/2006 4:57:35 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Ichneumon

OK, you got me; I stand corrected one more time.

However, wouldn't the introduction of progesterone too early before the uterine lining forms be a preventive against implantation? After all, the progesterone IUD is in use now. It can't stop ovulation from its position in the uterus, can it?

Sorry if my info was wrong. I actually don't mean to mislead. It's what I had been taught and I'm sorry.


192 posted on 06/04/2006 5:32:20 PM PDT by Yaelle
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To: Ichneumon
Postfertilization effect of hormonal emergency contraception

"The available evidence for a postfertilization effect is moderately strong, whether hormonal EC is used in the preovulatory, ovulatory, or postovulatory phase of the menstrual cycle. CONCLUSIONS: Based on the present theoretical and empirical evidence, both the Yuzpe regimen and Plan B likely act at times by causing a postfertilization effect, regardless of when in the menstrual cycle they are used. These findings have potential implications in such areas as informed consent, emergency department protocols, and conscience clauses."

There are competing studies and competing conclusions for sure but there is not a single study anywhere that can conclusively state that Plan B can not effect the endometrium and prevent implantation.

So, when you claim that Plan B is NOT an abortofacient that claim is wrong. It certainly may be and every prospective patient should know just that.

193 posted on 06/04/2006 5:38:27 PM PDT by jwalsh07
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To: Enterprise
"Buy Plan B Online FDA Approved Medication, $20 Refill Order Discount Express UPS Shipping, US Certified Doctors & Pharmacies" link

It offers overnight air for 15.99.

This woman was reprehensible...but would YOU buy drugs like this from an Internet scam?

194 posted on 06/04/2006 5:42:17 PM PDT by paulat
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To: Yaelle
The thickness of the lining is affected by the corpus luteum after ovulation - that's the most potent source of estrogen.

Durand, confirmed the results from earlier studies - there is no change in the thickness of the uterine lining from a single dose of levonorgesrel,
"These results also correlate with the presence of normal histopathological features in endometrial biopsies taken during the implantation window in women from Groups B, C, and D. Indeed, in this study, the process of transformation of endometrium into decidua, as a consequence of endometrial cell differentiation independently of conception occurred normally in women receiving LNG at the time or after the occurrence of LH surge. In this regard, the existence of edematous changes along with development of prominent spiral arteries in LNG-exposed tissues strongly suggest the apparent preservation of endometrial structures thought to be associated with implantation capabilities [45,46]. A successful implantation requires an adequate synchronization between embryo and endometrium development for invasion of spiral arteries by trophoblast cells [47]. These results suggestthat postovulatory contraceptive efficacy of LNG may not involve alterations in the mechanisms associated with endometrial receptivity. A similar conclusion was reached by Raymond et al. [48], where no substantial evidence for the contraceptive effect of the Yuzpe regimen."

Also, the lining in the fallopian tubes is very thin, yet it's capable of sustaining the embryo. In fact, embryos implant in the visceral tissues of the abdomen, at times.

The mini pill is dangerous because it doesn't block ovulation as effectively as the combination oral contraceptives and because, when there is ovulation, the movement of the oocyte and the sperm in the fallopian tube are slowed for a few hours after each dose, resulting in 10 times the normal rate of tubal pregnancies.

However, it doesn't appear that a single dose of progesterone is significant for increasing the risk of tubal pregnancy, probably because of the short window of time that it works to slow cilia motility.

195 posted on 06/04/2006 6:09:01 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: paulat

I don't know that it is a scam. I was commenting on how fast a site came up when someone started searching.


196 posted on 06/04/2006 7:43:28 PM PDT by Enterprise (Let's not enforce laws that are already on the books, let's just write new laws we won't enforce.)
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To: Ichneumon

I don't believe that it's pointless to require a physician's prescription for drugs. Neither is it pointless to allow medical professionals the right of conscience.

I would have a conference with the internist,the gynecologist and even the midwife (although she or he probably won't have the same "deep pockets" that the docs have) about the risk of medications with insufficient contraceptive protection. Do you suppose that a jury will find in her favor?


197 posted on 06/04/2006 7:49:14 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: jwalsh07; khnyny; MHGinTN

Please see my #165.

Jwalsh, the information in the article by Larimore, Stanford, and Kahlenborn predates the reports on the elegant research by Croxottao and Durand.

To all, Freepmail me your email addresses and I'll be glad to forward the articles.


198 posted on 06/04/2006 8:01:24 PM PDT by hocndoc (http://www.lifeethics.org/www.lifeethics.org/index.html)
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To: Enterprise; All

It certainly looks like the LA Times is in sync with the Washington Compost in the timing of their "information", lol. This article appeared today in the LA Times, what a coincidence. How fortunate for all of us that these fine news organizations conspire, I mean, work hard to inform and advise.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/nation/la-na-fda25may25,0,3259830.story?coll=la-home-nation


199 posted on 06/04/2006 8:40:16 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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To: Peach

I think it is one of the most revolting and ridiculous pieces I've ever read. The WP may have "jumped the shark" on this one. And they wonder why hundreds had to take "early retirement", that really is the funny part.


200 posted on 06/04/2006 8:46:07 PM PDT by khnyny (Never in the field of human conflict was so much owed by so many to so few.- Winston Churchill)
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