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Bush Shuns Republicans' Stand to Return Illegals(W still doesn't get it!)
The Washington Times ^ | June 2, 2006 | Stephen Dinan

Posted on 06/02/2006 3:46:47 PM PDT by kellynla

President Bush yesterday rejected House Republicans' stance that illegal aliens must return home, calling it "wrong and unrealistic" and saying many will have to be allowed to stay.

Speaking to the U.S. Chamber of Commerce, a block from the White House, Mr. Bush also directly challenged businesses to hire only legal workers, and said those that don't should be prepared to face increased fines. In addition, he said both the House and Senate will have to compromise, but said voters expect a bill and he said that bill should tackle both enforcement and a pathway to citizenship for illegal aliens.

"The difficulty of this task is no excuse for avoiding it," he said.

Mr. Bush was making his first in-depth comments since the Senate passed its broad immigration bill last week, setting up a showdown over immigration policy with the House, which passed an enforcement bill in December.

Last Friday, and again on Sunday, Rep. F. James Sensenbrenner Jr., Wisconsin Republican and chairman of the House Judiciary Committee, said he cannot accept any approach that allows illegal aliens to stay in the country with the government's approval.

"The words 'path to citizenship' is a buzzword for amnesty. We ought to be honest -- it is amnesty," Mr. Sensenbrenner, a key House negotiator, said on NBC's "Meet the Press" program. He contends that more enforcement against employers would make it hard for illegal aliens to get jobs, encouraging them to go home. But Mr. Bush dismissed that argument.

"Listen, I appreciate the members are acting on deeply felt principles. I understand that. Yet I also believe that the approach they suggest is wrong and unrealistic," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at washtimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: 109th; adderofbushbashabot; aliens; amnesty; border; borders; bushbash; bushbot; cira; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration
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To: JD-Texas
I am a bit tired - only about 300 post today on various boards.

Wow! That's a lot. You're a real trooper!

But I think you'll have a bigger impact if you write that article I encouaraged you to write earlier. More people will read it. Send it to national review or some other site. Enforcement advocates need to know that the president has plenty of power under existing law, and they don't seem to know it.

It will certainly make many people more comfortable with the position of no bill is better than a bad bill.

221 posted on 06/02/2006 8:30:12 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: curiosity
A green card gives you all the benefits of citizenship, i.e. being able to work in the US, travel in and out at will, welfare, unemployment social security, etc. without many responsibilities like jury duty.

Add to that driving without vehicle registration, auto insurance, drivers license, committing crimes and fleeing back across the border to avoid prosecution, low cost housing, low cost education, free medical treatment, food stamps, and fraudulent voting "rights." Oops almost forgot, free or low cost legal services courtesy of the ACLU and various organizations demanding preferential treatment of illegals over citizens.

222 posted on 06/02/2006 8:30:39 PM PDT by MamaDearest
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To: BnBlFlag

I lived most of my life in Texas. Most of my family lives in Texas still.

The idea that immigration has made Texas a democratic state is an interesting contention.

In fact, that is quite why I trust George Bush much more than the people posting stuff against him on this thread. Texas has managed immigration much better than California. In fact, I dare say it has done better than any other southwest state. Bush served as a two term governor Texas. He is not ignorant on the topic.

I do not think Texas has been or is being destroyed by immigration. I still think it is one of the strongest states in the union and getting stronger.


223 posted on 06/02/2006 8:31:02 PM PDT by lonestar67
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To: curiosity
Well, I think we were just disagreeing on a minor point: whether existing law is sufficient to get employers to stop hiring illegals.

The "Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986" aka Simpson-Mazzoli makes it illegal for employers to hire illegals. See Title I.

224 posted on 06/02/2006 8:34:25 PM PDT by kabar
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To: lonestar67
I do not think Texas has been or is being destroyed by immigration.

No, it's being destroyed by transplants from Maine and New England posing as Texans...

Just like the Republican Party is being destroyed by "moderates" posing as conservatives...

And America is being destroyed by globalists posing as Americans...

225 posted on 06/02/2006 8:35:08 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: So Circumstanced

I recognize that point but here again there is a pretending that Bush suddenly started a program to allow Mexican immigration into the US.

Mexicans have been flooding into the US for decades. In many respects, borderbots are asking for a drastic change in US practices toward Mexico. This is arguably inconsistent with rule of law since the expectations are now disrupted and rules are enforced in a manner different from the past.


226 posted on 06/02/2006 8:35:40 PM PDT by lonestar67
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To: clawrence3
Bush never called the Minutemen "vigilantes" - he responded to a question about anyone "hunting migrant workers along the border" and said he was against that as vigilantism - I would think even you agree with that.

Can I see the knife you used to split such a fine hair

227 posted on 06/02/2006 8:36:00 PM PDT by MilspecRob (Most people don't act stupid, they really are.)
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To: lonestar67
I do not think Texas has been or is being destroyed by immigration. I still think it is one of the strongest states in the union and getting stronger.

Bump to that, fellow Texan!!

228 posted on 06/02/2006 8:36:58 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: streetpreacher

I think I might actually agree with you about this point which returns to an earlier comment I made about trading many of our citizens for immigrants. Bush has done a relatively masterful job of preventing hispanics from becoming a democratic lock. He has Texas as a strong case study on this point especially when compared to California.


I do think the border bots are verging on the undoing of this work.


229 posted on 06/02/2006 8:37:40 PM PDT by lonestar67
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To: RightWinger
A lot of them will care after the next election but it will be too late.

You know the drill.
"Do you want to cut off your nose to spite OUR FACES!!!"
"You conservatives are like spoiled brats!"
"If you can't get your way you're going to pick up your marbles and go home!
"WAHHHHH!"
"Third party, Ross Perot,don't you remember?, etc, etc, etc,"

When the Republican Party gets turned out it will be OUR FAULT!

It looks like the only way we can get the country club, free traitor,
republicrats is to smash them right in the face.
Their noses will be bleeding for the next eight years, but they'd rather "endure"
the democrats than join with the conservatives.
After all they have much more in common with them than they do with the conservatives.

230 posted on 06/02/2006 8:38:31 PM PDT by trickyricky
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To: streetpreacher; Admin Moderator
I agree that impeachment might be a necessary step if we can't restrain this madness.

Just for the record.

231 posted on 06/02/2006 8:39:09 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: jwalsh07

And thus the merits of the two step. Law enforcement needs to get into the habit of enforcement. Good habits are learned, and the learning comes from repetition.


232 posted on 06/02/2006 8:39:45 PM PDT by Torie
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To: trickyricky

The Perot objection is really a false canard because he could have won that race had he not dropped out at first (at the time he was ahead in the polls). I think the right person running on this issue could make Presidential history.


233 posted on 06/02/2006 8:41:52 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: sinkspur

Yeah, it is for the record. That's why I typed it on a public forum dopey.


234 posted on 06/02/2006 8:42:39 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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To: FastCoyote
In 1998 I'd have been against it. knowing what I know now to be the stakes, my opinion has changed.

The sad thing is, we're going to end up with a sweeping amnesty for both illegals and their employers, as well as the universal ID. Funny how it always seems to work out to the government's benefit.

One might almost think it were planned that way or something. 

235 posted on 06/02/2006 8:43:00 PM PDT by zeugma (Come to the Dark Side... We have cookies!)
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To: streetpreacher
The owner of this forum is not in favor of impeachment of President Bush, nor does he tolerate talk of it.

Looks like you slipped through.

236 posted on 06/02/2006 8:44:16 PM PDT by sinkspur ( Don Cheech. Vito Corleone would like to meet you......Vito Corleone.....)
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To: kabar
The "Immigration Reform and Control Act of 1986" aka Simpson-Mazzoli makes it illegal for employers to hire illegals. See Title I.

Yes, but if you it, an employer is off the hook if presented with a fake document that looks "reasonably genuine."

An administration that really wanted to enforce the law could find ways around this, as others have pointed out, but it is obvious that the current one isn't going to do it without a congressional mandate.

237 posted on 06/02/2006 8:44:35 PM PDT by curiosity
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To: sinkspur

"There have been many ideas about what Texas is, what it has become, we are not all in agreement, but I'd like to ask each of you, what it is you value so highly, that you are willing to fight, and possibly die for. We will call that Texas!" -William Travis

One of my favorite quotes from "The Alamo"


238 posted on 06/02/2006 8:46:44 PM PDT by lonestar67
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To: lonestar67
The 2.1 is a rough figure used to express replacement level. 2.09 is virtually the same thing.

Regardless, the US population is growing at a .91% rate, which includes the one million legal immigrants per year and the 500,000 illegals. If we continue to grow at this rate for 20 years, assuming the same rate of immigration, legal and illegal, the current 300 million population of the US will grow to about 360 millon people. This assumes the current mortality rates as well.

239 posted on 06/02/2006 8:47:24 PM PDT by kabar
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To: sinkspur; lonestar67
I do not think Texas has been or is being destroyed by immigration.

No, it's being destroyed by transplants from Maine and New England posing as Texans...

Case in point...

Sinkspur: Bump to that, fellow Texan!!

240 posted on 06/02/2006 8:48:09 PM PDT by streetpreacher (What if you're wrong?)
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