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The stone-age Basque language remains mystery to scientists
Deutsche Presse-Agentur ^
| 01 June 2006
| Sinikka Tarvainen
Posted on 06/01/2006 11:51:18 PM PDT by Marius3188
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To: NCLaw441
I lived in southern France, a town called Pau
Part of my family and my last name is from Guiche, France which is near there I believe.
To: Thinkin' Gal
Thanks TG for the ping.
Investigators have also found some physical peculiarities among the Basques, such as there being more of them with type O blood than in the general European population.
That's a little interesting, because years ago Barry Fell gave the details of a (misplaced) letter he'd received from a native American. The letter writer had said that he'd once traveled in Spain and one day heard a few men having a conversation in what sounded very much like his own tribal language. When he tried speaking with them, he could make himself understood. :') Type O is overwhelmingly the blood type of native Americans.
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06/02/2006 9:05:55 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: Thinkin' Gal; blam; FairOpinion; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 24Karet; 3AngelaD; ...
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06/02/2006 9:06:33 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: Marius3188
"....before the arrival of the war-like, patriarchal Indo-Europeans.
....have led some scholars to conclude that old European societies were at least partly matriarchal and that life was remarkably peaceful.
"
Talk about someone carrying their bias around open....
To: All
What a neat topic.
It attracted me because I thought someone was describing my Basque landscaper lol. He does remain a mystery to me as well.
There is a large community of Basque people (both French and Spanish speaking as well as their own language and excellent English)....they are delightful and hardworking - great agrarians and still maintain close family ties with family in France and Spain. I live in South/Central California but there are many families living on the Central Coast as well.
Sorry - I didn't add anything just wanted to nod in to say I am enjoying all the informed knowledge you guys possess!
To: SunkenCiv
When he tried speaking with them, he could make himself understood What was the tourists tribe? Interesting.
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posted on
06/02/2006 9:38:56 AM PDT
by
Centurion2000
(The social contract is breaking down.)
To: RightWhale
An ice-cream shop has a sign saying 'izozkiak.' Does that sound stone-age?
Yes. That's what stone age people called their ice-cream cave. They ofcourse ate frozen mammoth brain frozen in wintertime instead of actual ice cream.
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posted on
06/02/2006 9:56:42 AM PDT
by
S0122017
To: Marius3188
Since the Basque population contain huge numbers of people who are O-, it is not surprising that their language could not survive an influx of people from the east. Language is passed from mother to child. In the past an O- woman could only have one child at most if she married a rhesus positive husband. Tauregs of the Atlas mountains have an even higher percentage of O- negative people than the Basques.
I must admit I love the far out theories about O- people being descendants of aliens , Neanderthals, and Atlanteans. I tease my O- husband about this all the time.
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posted on
06/02/2006 9:58:54 AM PDT
by
after dark
(I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
To: Marius3188
One thing, however, seems certain: Euskera is very, very old. Several words meaning tools such as axes or hoes begin with the word 'aitz' (stone), indicating they could date from a time when they were made of stone.
Cool
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posted on
06/02/2006 9:59:58 AM PDT
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S0122017
To: RightWhale
Does that sound stone-age? It translates as "Closed until the next inter-glacial period."
To: blam
Basque Y-Chromosome DNA is R1b, but somewhat different from Celtic R1b.
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posted on
06/02/2006 10:23:51 AM PDT
by
CobaltBlue
(Extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. Moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue.)
To: Eastbound
>"Shibumi" -- a Travanian tale of an assassin with strange talents who lives in the Basque region contains some interesting insights of the Basques.
I'll have to give it a read then.
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06/02/2006 10:36:46 AM PDT
by
OneWingedShark
(Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
To: Marius3188
Europe was like before the arrival of the war-like, patriarchal Indo-Europeans. Certain traditions, such as the strong position of women and the worship of the goddess Mari, have led some scholars to conclude that old European societies were at least partly matriarchal and that life was remarkably peaceful. Hahaha, they never quit, to they?
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06/02/2006 10:50:50 AM PDT
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jordan8
To: OneWingedShark
Let me know when you finish it. I think you'll enjoy it.
To: Eastbound
> Let me know when you finish it. I think you'll enjoy it.
That may be a while, I just stocked up on books! :)
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06/02/2006 11:03:54 AM PDT
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OneWingedShark
(Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with your God.)
To: Marius3188
My Great Grandfather (atachi) John Ualde sold his vineyard and large house in France near Lourdes in the late 1930's bringing his wife and 7 children. He raised sheep in Nevada on the eastern slopes of the Sierra mountains near Mindon and Gardnerville. My grandfather Peter Cherimberro came over from the old country as well. Several uncles carrried on the sheep business in the central valley of California after John moved to Madera. Three of my mothers uncles fought in WWII. One with the 1'st Marine division at Guadal Canal and one landed with the 4'th ID at Utah beach D+2. He was a radio signal man who much like the Navajo Indian radio talkers in the Pacific was paired up with other Basque American soldiers. The German's could not pick up anything they said in Basque according to my uncle. He received two bronze stars, one for crossing the Meurs river under enemy fire carrying a radio wire. My mother is full Basque but does not speak the language, but I used to love to listen to my grandmother (muchi)talk with her brothers and sisters. They would start off in English and when the discussion warmed up it would go to Spanish or French and if the talk heated up it would always end in Basque.
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06/02/2006 11:09:58 AM PDT
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Mat_Helm
To: BobS
" I would live there and marry a wife that says screw the big cities."
She's going to need a grocery cart to carry the quarters.
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posted on
06/02/2006 11:12:49 AM PDT
by
Old Professer
(The critic writes with rapier pen, dips it twice, and writes again.)
To: Centurion2000
I don't remember, alas, and I haven't been able to locate that particular discussion in his books. I also noticed after I posted the above, that the men the letter writer spoke to were speaking Basque. :')
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06/02/2006 11:49:23 AM PDT
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SunkenCiv
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To: cryptical
Why try to figure out where the language came from, it says in the Bible that it comes from the tower of Babel around 5000 years ago. Any other explanation is heresy, and the purveyor of that heresy should be burned at the stake. Not quite. We christians are not the benighted morons you paint us to be. We are quite open to intellectual inquiry, but this usually results in name calling from the opposition. If you still don't feel comfortable, go take up the argument with some of our Islamicist friends.
Now to the issue: Linguists have identifed at least 19 distinct language families, many of which are over-simplifications. The 'confusing of language' in Genesis 11 does explain why there are so many language families from which the 4500 or so living languages have descended. ([Mono]Genesis+Babel)
Evolutionists might argue for polygenesis--language being invented many times by many people. But then "simple" monogenesis is challenging enough. One expert in the area puts forth ten (!) or so untestable hypotheses for language genesis: The Origins of Language.
Enjoy.
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06/02/2006 12:26:53 PM PDT
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after dark
(I love hateful people. They help me unload karmic debt.)
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