[Dominic Harr]

I've always thought the best definition of conservative was one who put individual freedom ahead of everything else, to the point where they would give their life for it.

The problem with that is, it leaves out the 'social' conservatives who want govt enforcement of social rules like marriage and victimless crimes.

I think the R party got strong by combining these 2 groups under the title 'conservative'. And the R party will fall from power unless these 2 groups can come to an understanding.

In this thread, many of the folks are saying that many other of the folks are NOT conservative -- which is not right.

I think we all are Cs.

[SierraWasp]

"...enforcement of social rules like marriage and victimless crimes."

This shows me you have a problem with religious as well as social conservatives. You guys like taking advantage of the organizational skills and the dedication of religious conservatives, but boy you hate it when it comes time to respect them for what they value!!!

This observation does not come from a bible thumper. I haven't been a member of organized religion for almost 45 years!!! So don't start flamin me just because I gave ya somethin to think about...