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Amnesty From Government (Alternative Immigration plan)
Neoperspectives ^ | 5/29/06 | me

Posted on 05/29/2006 12:32:15 PM PDT by traviskicks

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This is hopefully sort of a unique take on immigration. Maybe some of you will find it interesting...
1 posted on 05/29/2006 12:32:19 PM PDT by traviskicks
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To: traviskicks; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; Americanwolfsbrother; ...
Some libertarians might share this perspective on immigration.





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2 posted on 05/29/2006 12:35:38 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: traviskicks
So, how do I become an illegal and get all these benefits?

I am not sure if I am being sarcastic or not. It hits too close to the truth...
3 posted on 05/29/2006 12:38:56 PM PDT by Danae (Anál nathrach, orth' bháis's bethad, do chél dénmha)
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To: traviskicks

"American citizens demand the same freedoms and benefits accorded to illegal aliens!" would be a very politically potent slogan--almost as good as "Sore Loserman."


4 posted on 05/29/2006 12:41:17 PM PDT by sourcery (A libertarian is a conservative who has been mugged ...by his own government)
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To: traviskicks

I am trying to get my grandkids to learn to speak Spanish so they can claim to be illegals and get Resident tuition.

Its a pretty crappy situation when a kid from Virginia has to pay double what an illegal pays to go to a Maryland University.


5 posted on 05/29/2006 12:58:56 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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I posted asking about that situation awhile back. If my son, a US citizen, left the US but returned to this country illegally, (avoiding customs, not declaring, etc) he would then be in this county illegally. Would he qualify for instate tuition at those state colleges?
6 posted on 05/29/2006 1:11:46 PM PDT by FarmerW ("We have the freedoms we fight for, and we lose those we don't defend." -Rushdie)
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FYI


7 posted on 05/29/2006 1:17:30 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: mmercier; no dems

follow up ping


8 posted on 05/29/2006 1:23:38 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: traviskicks
" Just think of the benefits! No Social Security taxes, no Medicaid, Medicare, Federal Income Tax, State Income Tax, Inheritance Tax, and I'm sure I'm forgetting a few!"

......and registration for Selective Servie requirement for all males 18 to 26.....?

Non compliance should be an immediate and total barrier to citizenship same as for legal immigrants.

Or am I missing something here...../angry sarcasm

9 posted on 05/29/2006 1:52:33 PM PDT by spokeshave (I'd rather go hunting with Dick Cheney than drive over a bridge with Ted Kennedy)
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To: traviskicks
Very interesting stuff! Thanks!

I've seen Thomas Sowell criticized as Rush is here for being anti-open borders yet pro-free trade, the criticism being that this represents a contradiction.

The reason I agree with Rush and Sowell is that I don't think a person can be thought of simply as commodities. A man brings with him ideas and a history--- he is always much more than whatever job he takes or what he produces. Someone who has dual citizenship in Mexico and the United States and boos the U.S. soccer team even when it's not playing Mexico probably is not a loyal U.S. citizen. James Bennett likes to say that a nation can stay a nation with any two out of the three categories of multiculturalism, democracy or massive immigration.

But how can we expect immigrants to feel pride in the history and culture of the United States when they (and we) are taught in government schools that they should not, that the United States is evil? In a democracy, demography is destiny. Can the United States take California becoming more of a Mexico-style economically hard-left state than it is due to the influx of citizens who have been brought up to believe Reagan was insane and Bush is crazy?

I favor do immigration, but I think the United States needs to regulate it. This is one of those functions like defense where the government cannot help but be involved. Why is it so hard for the mathematicians and engineers our graduate schools from India and China to become citizens and so easy for those who might take lower wage jobs? I think it's because skilled workers vote and low wagers don't, and high wage employees don't like an emplyer's market i.e. competition for their jobs any more than anyone else. But the United States needs to regulate immigration in a way that's good for the country, not any one group. So long as Mexico encourages this reconquista gibberish, it's hard for me not be uneasy about the massive immigration wave of both types from Mexico that will apparently occur in the immediate future.

10 posted on 05/29/2006 2:08:27 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: traviskicks

This is a grouping of many posts by individuals isn't it?
I would say I disagree with the majority of the posters.
Majority of the posts advocate globalism.


11 posted on 05/29/2006 2:09:59 PM PDT by stopem (God Bless the U.S.A the Troops who protect her, and their Commander In Chief !)
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To: traviskicks

BTTT

Wow


12 posted on 05/29/2006 2:13:10 PM PDT by AliVeritas (Murtha, doing the job Marines wouldn't do... on Memorial Day weekend. s/)
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To: traviskicks
Thanks for the ping.

I have been considering renouncing my citizenship and declaring myself a resident alien.

Good way to have every government agency crawling up every bodily orifice investigating everything you have done for the last decade..

We are the payers, there is no escape other than death or physically leaving the Republic at this point. Once you have a ss number and have been fingerprinted by any municipality you are going to be identified anywhere anytime and will pay one way or another..

We have joined a suicidal organization we can not leave.

14 posted on 05/29/2006 2:39:16 PM PDT by mmercier (waffen schutzstaffel)
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A green card has more to offer than citizenship to illegals.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1635873/posts?page=17#17

To: SmithL

The whole article is misleading leftist spin. This reporter is trying to hit all the bases - on the one hand, the green card holder has no choice but to join the military to gain his citizenship and is therefore being exploited by the military, and on the other, the military is so desperate for recruits that it is hiring non-citizens to join. Both are crap. The green card holder doesn't need to become a citizen to work legally in the US. Citizenship doesn't confer many special privileges except the right to vote and the right to hold certain public offices. (As John Derbyshire pointed out in a column, the big downside is that citizens are taxed on their global income, whereas green card holders are only taxed on their US income). Green card holders are also eligible for the draft. They have also always been able to join the military - this isn't some loophole that has opened up in recent years. 16 posted on 05/21/2006 10:16:20 AM PDT by Zhang Fei

15 posted on 05/29/2006 2:52:39 PM PDT by Orange1998
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To: stopem

No, its just the HTML didn't transfer over very well to FR for some reason, leaving big spaces.

And this stuff might sound like globalism, but it's a different sort of globalism than for which the term is commonly used.


16 posted on 05/29/2006 2:58:10 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/Amnesty_From_Government.htm)
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To: traviskicks

This is some of an article from the LASLIMES
40% OF ALL WORKERS ARE (10MIL)ARE WORKING FOR CASHAND NOT PAYING TAXES
95% OF WARRENTS FOR MURDER IN LA ARE FOR ILLEGAL ALIENS
75% OF PEOPLE ON THE MOST WANTED LIST ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS
OVER 2/3'S OF ALL BIRTHS IN LA ARE TO ILLEGAL ALIEN MEXICANS AND ORE FUNDED BY THE TAXPAYERS
25% OF INMATES IN CALIFORNIS DETENTION CENTERS ARE ILLEGAL ALIENS
3OO,000 ILLEGAL ALIENS ARE LIVING IN GARAGES
THE FBI REPORTS HALF AF ALL GANG MEMBERS IN LA ARE ILLGALS
NEARLY 60% OF ALL OCCUPANTS OF HUD PROPERTIES ARE ILLEGAL.
ISN'T IT AMAZING


17 posted on 05/29/2006 3:41:30 PM PDT by snowman1
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"A man brings with him ideas and a history--- he is always much more than whatever job he takes or what he produces" Very well put although some of the extremely free-traders here would disagree, seeing things in money terms only.

Thanks, I would consider myself an extreme free trader but I feel also feel that by acting as though free trade necessitates open borders, the Wall Street Journal has done real damage to the cause of free trade.

18 posted on 05/29/2006 3:45:47 PM PDT by mjolnir ("All great change in America begins at the dinner table.")
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To: traviskicks

Maybe we could trade 2 million or so illegals for 2 million or so America-hating liberals. The illegals stay. The libs are put on a slow boat to Cuba.

If even 10% of the illegals become productive freedom-loving Americans, I'd say that was a good trade.


19 posted on 05/29/2006 3:55:19 PM PDT by Tall_Texan (I wish a political party would come along that thinks like I do.)
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