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To: whispering out loud; ahayes
The evidence, and theoretical evidence backing the toe can not only be refuted, but also plausible alternate explanations can be brought for these evidences, heck some if not most of them even make more sense if thought through. This is why the toe is questioned, and others aren't they are based in sound evidence, and the toe is based on theories based upon theoretical evidence. It's just that simple, and the fact is that it is JUST A THEORY and should be presented as a theory, I ask the question again, is the disclaimer a lie? No, no it's not a lie, the toe is a theory, so why are we upset, is telling the truth not an admirable trait anymore, I thought only Dem's took pleasure in lying, and distorting the truth.

I must disagree with ahayes in post #105; this sticker is a lie because it is deliberately misleading.

There are more ways to lie than telling a falsehood. Another is to utter a truth in such a way as to be totally misleading. That is what is done in this sticker.

The reaction of undereducated school children will be, "Well, if its just a theory I don't have to pay any attention to it!"

Never a mention that the theory of gravity and germ theory are on equal footing with the theory of evolution, and that the theory of evolution may be on solider footing.

Never a mention that a theory is the highest point in science, and an idea only reaches that point after considerable testing and validation.

Never a mention that there is no controversy within the various evolutionary sciences, but that the controversy is between the various evolutionary sciences and religious belief.

No, the goal is to cast doubt on the theory of evolution for religious reasons, but to masquerade as "clarifying" science. This sticker is a lie from start to finish.

107 posted on 05/26/2006 7:38:16 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Stupidity is the only universal capital crime; the sentence is death--Heinlein)
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To: Coyoteman

You seem to be arguing that the population of the United States should be somehow legally obligated to believe the theory of evolution. It isn't a lie for others to disbelieve a theory that you happen to believe. Nor is it a lie to disbelieve a theory that 99% of the experts in the field believe.

I asked earlier how many biologists believe evolution is God's method of creation. In other words, how many of the 99% of biologists who believe in evolution also believe God guided it, and it wouldn't have worked otherwise. What's the percentage? 20%? 35%? 50%?

Do you want to include a section in biology texts telling students that 40% (or whatever percent it is) of biologists believe God guides evolution and that it couldn't work otherwise? If you don't include it, then by your own definition aren't you lying by omission?


110 posted on 05/26/2006 9:37:23 PM PDT by puroresu (Conservatism is an observation; Liberalism is an ideology)
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To: Coyoteman
There are more ways to lie than telling a falsehood. Another is to utter a truth in such a way as to be totally misleading.

A truth can not possibly be misleading. It can however be considered irrelevant in context. That said, your job now is to show either that the content of the sticker is false, or if true, is irrelevant in context.

If you cant show either one, then you simply don't have a case.

114 posted on 05/27/2006 10:40:28 AM PDT by csense
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