Posted on 05/25/2006 6:42:24 PM PDT by KoRn
Republican Mayor Michael Bloomberg thrust himself into the national immigration debate Wednesday, advocating a plan that would establish a DNA or fingerprint database to track and verify all legal U.S. workers.
(Excerpt) Read more at breitbart.com ...
It's a two-pronged effort. "Multiply redundant backup systems" type thinking.
how do you determine who is legal and who is not?
First, you implant ID chips issue ID cards (sorry, I got a bit ahead of myself) to everyone to ensure that there is no way for a "non-legal" to avoid being identified.
Then, you make everyone legal. [rimshot!]
Go ahead and laugh -- but then realize that I'm not joking.
He should be doing something about the influx of homeless people living - yet again - in cardboard boxes all over midtown and arresting panhandlers on the trains; don't you agree? Instead, he goes on John Gambling and ignorantly talks about Darwinism!! Who asked him?
I forgot the punchline (to my non-joke).
"What you say? We end up with everyone legal, AND everyone saddled with invasive, privacy-raping biometric National ID?"
(Um, that was the punchline.)
See how easy it is to impose this sort of totalitarian nightmare on a "free people"? A little fear, a little threat, a little promise of safety and security -- in exchange, as per the Standard Bargain -- for your FREEDOM -- and there ya go.
Their numbers haven't reached the tipping point yet.
Well, they're tipping into my life and I wish the Mayor would stop pontificating about secondhand smoke myths and do something about aggressive panhandlers on the IRT.
The train guys don't seem to be homeless. Note, they are usually fairly clean and well dressed.
I was in a similar situation, and then I found out I'll need to show it AND my birth certificate to renew my drivers license. Words cannot express my contempt for this BS.
I've been working for 40 years, and I have yet to see my SS card.
Anyway, I finally found my SS card, and, bought a new copy of my BC. (The laughable part is that anyone can buy a copy of the BC and claim to be me! So exactly WHAT does possession of the BC prove? Nothing!)
The kicker is that when I looked at my SS card, it was emblazoned with a notice that it is NOT to be used for identification purposes!
The more I observe of the madness surrounding modern "society", the more I am reminded of Poe's "Descent into The Maelstrom."
Clean, well-dressed? We're riding different trains.
sure, we'd all lose our freedoms if we had a SS card with a basic PIN number form of authentication.
I'm going to venture a guess that you're making an attempt at sarcasm. If not, please feel free to correct me.
sure, we'd all lose our freedoms if we had a SS card with a basic PIN number form of authentication.
In any regard, my response is that the word "Incrementalism" seems to have fallen out of the conservative lexicon of late, to our detriment.
The only thing I'd add to that is that I never thought I'd live to see the day that "Papers, please?" became part of THIS nation -- let alone have conservatives ADVOCATING it. When I grew up, in government schools, no less (albeit back in the 1950s), we were taught that one of the big differences between life in THIS country and life in repressive regimes, is that in OUR country, we don't have the government doin' that thar "Papers, please?" thing.
My, how things have changed.
As the FSU nations get a taste of freedom, they begin to embrace the concepts and precepts espoused by the founders of our nation -- while we, on the other hand, race headlong into the breed of same statist hell that dominated their lands for the better part of a century.
Major role-reversal occurring -- sadly, and to our everlasting shame and detriment.
I disagree. The Federal government should have a database in which everyone who wishes to work in this country - even natural-born citizens - would be entered. Name, date of birth, picture, fingerprint, address, and a number. If someone wants a job, the potential employer goes to the web and checks for that person in the database. If not there - sorry - you do not get the job because you are probably not legal. And if the employer hires him/her anyway, they will be looking at one year and $10,000 for each violation. No parole.
See #92 - that would make social security cards obsolete.
It's ironic isn't it.
How do you determine who's legal and who isn't?
Not really. The "Right" has stampeding to the authortarian position since the Nixon years.
Tom Ridge is with you. Remember him, the former head of Homeland Security.
http://www.iht.com/articles/2006/05/01/business/Ports.php
WASHINGTON Executives from some leading U.S. identity-verification companies are pushing Congress to rescind a provision of a law that they said could lead to a foreign-owned company's handling of sensitive personal records for up to 750,000 port workers.
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Steve Lunceford, a spokesman for BearingPoint, a company in Virginia that wanted to bid on the project, said the special treatment for the airport group raised questions that could delay the new identification cards' being issued.
"This is going to allow a foreign firm to collect and maintain the personal records of 750,000 American workers," he said. "That does not seem right."
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Daon's board includes Tom Ridge, the former secretary of homeland security, and the company has already sold its software to the government for some of these same programs.
DAON is an Irish company. They will be the favored company due to Tom Ridge being on the board.
You're lucky. In Texas, I had to show the social security card, birth cirtificate and marriage license. They explained to me that it was a requirement of The Patriot Act. (Actually, I substituted an out-of-state DL for the SS card.)
Well, we could go with the Ayatollah's method of using dress codes to distinguish groups.
If our gov't had been enforcing our laws all along, we wouldn't be one step closer to needing a national ID. And the sad thing is that once they convince us we need a national mandatory ID to fight terror, ID fraud and all other manor of evils, the gov't won't be any more compelled to enforce the laws they should hav e been enforcing all long.
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