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To: SlowBoat407
The way I see it, in our current paradigm you can remain stationary in the x, y, or z axes while moving on any of the others.

By "moving" you just introduced time. We exist in 3 dimensions without time regardless of movement. Movement introduces time. x/t = v

The trick in describing the fourth dimension is to remain stationary in the x, y, AND z axes while moving in yet another axis.

Again, there should be no need to move through anything with 4 dimensions of space. Movement is time. We should, somehow, exist in 4 dimensions of space without the consideration of moving or time.

To me, that means that the axes themselves are moving through yet another space

4 dimensions of space should not require any type of movement. Movement is time.

I personally cannot imagine 4 dimensions of space.

38 posted on 05/25/2006 2:18:26 PM PDT by avacado
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To: avacado
4 dimensions of space should not require any type of movement. Movement is time. I personally cannot imagine 4 dimensions of space.

Quantum physics has both particle and wave theory which both involves movement of particles and or energy. Atoms and subatomic particles exist in the same dimensions and are in motion. Even in abolute zero atoms are still in motion and time is still a factor. If you could stop time in theroy all motion would stop including on the subatomic level. Does absolute zero with no changes in energy or particle motion mean that time has stoped? No, because you would still have a period of existance in one state of entropy or another. Two dimenional objects exist on a plane and can't move or exist in the third dimension other than the single plane portion of the third dimension they occupy. A two dimensional existance can not move up or down as in volume but can percieve all around in any direction on that plane. Likewise we can perceive only that portion of the 4 dimension we occupy. We only occupy a portion of the 4 dimension and can only precieve that segment that intersects the third dimension while all of the third dimension can be observed from the fourth. Time is the same for all dimensions. In theroy any motion or change to the third dimension that can't be explained by the rules governed by the third dimension is caused or influenced by the rules governing a higher dimension. They are discussing a theroy on how mathmaticaly to observe an action occuring in the 4th causing an afect within the third by way of changes to gravity that defy the laws of gravity as they exist within the confines of the third dimension. Levitation without magnetics or other energy or form of motion that defies the known law of gravity can be explained as being caused by action occuring within the fourth dimension.

55 posted on 05/25/2006 3:07:20 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: avacado
Once again with spell check!

4 dimensions of space should not require any type of movement. Movement is time. I personally cannot imagine 4 dimensions of space.

Quantum physics has both particle and wave theory which both involves movement of particles and or energy. Atoms and subatomic particles exist in the same dimensions and are in motion. Even in absolute zero atoms are still in motion and time is still a factor. If you could stop time in theory all motion would stop including on the subatomic level. Does absolute zero with no changes in energy or particle motion mean that time has stopped? No, because you would still have a period of existence in one state of entropy or another. Two dimensional objects exist on a plane and can't move or exist in the third dimension other than the single plane portion of the third dimension they occupy. A two dimensional existence can not move up or down as in volume but can perceive all around in any direction on that plane. Likewise we can perceive only that portion of the 4 dimension we occupy. We only occupy a portion of the 4 dimension and can only perceive that segment that intersects the third dimension while all of the third dimension can be observed from the fourth. Time is the same for all dimensions. In theory any motion or change to the third dimension that can't be explained by the rules governed by the third dimension is caused or influenced by the rules governing a higher dimension. They are discussing a theory on how mathematically to observe an action occurring in the 4th causing an affect within the third by way of changes to gravity that defy the laws of gravity as they exist within the confines of the third dimension. Levitation without magnetics or other energy or form of motion that defies the known law of gravity can be explained as being caused by action occurring within the fourth dimension.

58 posted on 05/25/2006 3:09:04 PM PDT by Mat_Helm
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To: avacado

You cannot divorce time from the expressions of space in our existence/in reality since any expression of energy involves a temporal component ... and as far as I know there isn't anything expressed in reality that doesn't involve energy in one way or another.


98 posted on 05/25/2006 9:20:09 PM PDT by MHGinTN (If you can read this, you've had life support from someone. Promote life support for others.)
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