[Williams]

and that means exactly squat. If Israel is attacked and seriously threatened we will defend. Republican democrat or anyone else. Period. Not even a close call. Treaty obligations, long standing policy, political necessity, strategic interests. There would be no point to fight in Iraq and abandon Israel. So stop whining.

[HitmanLV]

I'm not whining. Just a statement of my position. I think Americans wouldn't want to avenge Israel with her sons & daughters. There would be no mandate at all to go nuclear on them, either. Dubya would have to convince America to go to war again, and he can't convince them that a ports deal is a good thing.

Nothing right no makes me think he could talk America into another war right now.

This isn't whining. I have no idea why you characterize admittedly a bleak evaluation with whining.