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To: Plutarch

Amnesty? I think not.

Anyone who doesn't apply for an application by a certain date would be subject to deportation.

Fines will be paid by applicants.

Those who apply for an application can stay for 3 years and can renew for an additional 3 years at which point they have to return home and get in line with everyone else.

Employers of illegals have to certify they tried to find Americans to fill the jobs. Those employers have to pay minimum wage and all other labor standards. Fine to employers not complying would be increased and instead of just fines, which has been the standard for 30 years, employers would be charged with serious criminal penalties and subject to trial and jail.

Applicants will submit to a background check and criminals will not be permitted to stay.

Applicants must learn English.

The president has been tryin to get Congress to address this problem for over 2 years. If you're upset that no action has been taken, take it up with Congress.


36 posted on 05/20/2006 3:43:17 PM PDT by Peach (DICC's - doing the work for the DNC)
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To: Peach
Anyone who doesn't apply for an application by a certain date would be subject to deportation.

And anyone currently in this nation illegally is subject to deportation.

Since Bush won't enforce the law now, what makes you think he'll enforce it after he gets his amnesty passed?

39 posted on 05/20/2006 3:47:21 PM PDT by Mojave
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To: Peach
Those who apply for an application can stay for 3 years and can renew for an additional 3 years at which point they have to return home and get in line with everyone else.

Really? This apparently is a common misconception. According to Senator Jeff Sessions, who spoke on this subject in the Senate on May 18:

The President told me--and he has said publicly a half dozen times--he believes in a temporary worker bill. I suppose his lawyers, maybe they thought it must be temporary, right? Well, it is not so. Let's take the people who will be allowed to enter our country in the future under this bill. This bill say that they can come in as a guest worker, temporary, and they can come for 3 years and then they can extend and stay another 3 years.

So that means it is temporary, right? Wrong. All you have to do is read the language of the bill, and as Senator Kyl and Senator Cornyn have pointed out, and you discover that the first day the temporary workers are here they can apply for a green card through their employer. And what is a green card? It makes them a legal, permanent resident. Permanent resident, not a temporary guest workers.

Five years after that green card is issued, they are entitled to apply for citizenship, every single one of them that enter under this so-called temporary provision. That is the truth, but it is not the message we are being told.

Earlier today I thought about offering an amendment or a resolution to bar anyone in the Senate from using the phrase ``temporary guest worker'' when they talk about this bill because it is so bogus. It is an utter and total misrepresentation. As I just explained, and as the Senators have just explained, everyone coming in under this provision for the indefinite future get to become permanent workers. I challenge anybody to dispute that. They have the ability to become a legal permanent resident, and after that, they get to go and become a citizen. So it is just not a temporary worker program, it is permanent immigration. That is the deal.

I believe Jeff Sessions, who challenges you to dispute his claim. If you can prove that it is temporary, do so. Links please. Otherwise admit that you are wrong, and that Bush is pushing a massive permanent amnesty, and misrepresenting even in today's address what he is pushing.

47 posted on 05/20/2006 4:07:34 PM PDT by Plutarch (Trading amnesty for border security will yield neither an end to amnesties nor border security.)
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To: Peach
Employers of illegals have to certify they tried to find Americans to fill the jobs. Employers are not trying to find Americans to fill the jobs. A friend of mine told me that last week she went to a temporary service looking for employment. She was there for several hours. During that time at least 5 American citizens walked in inquiring about a job at a local factory that is hiring. Each of them was told that they have no employment for them at the time. During the time she was at the agency at least 12 Mexicans walked in and were told to get on a bus that was parked out back and they were to be transported to the very company that the 5 citizens were inquiring about. Most likely most or all of the Mexicans transported to the company were illegals, since we have never had many of them in this area. Anyone who believes that illegals are doing the work Americans won't do are naive. They are here in great numbers taking jobs that American citizens will do and need badly.
92 posted on 05/21/2006 10:32:18 PM PDT by jerry639
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