Thats your choice, but it does not give you the license to rant against the American values which is by and large Christian.
Many of the missionaries you hate so much are Americans and supported by many many other Americans and churches who form the core of the President Bush/Republican party suppport and part of what is known as red states(counties).
As I said I have no problems with Christianity or American values. When your Evangelical fascist brand of Christianity (which IMO is not the real face of majority Christianity) are on our turf (whether for the right or the wrong reasons) I don't require your license to voice my opinion. When the proponents of your cultural or religious values are on my turf I would expect that they at least behave like decent honorable guests, honor the local sensitivities and the law of the land and not act like a bunch of rougues who think they have some divine right from God to carry out their activities. I dont hate missionaries, I oppose the ones that are involved in proselytization activities. When they are on my turf, I consider my opinion (and the opinions of other fellow Indians) more important then that of a foreigner. Period.
Most? hardly.. Checking the voting percentage of the Sangh group and percentage of upper castes in the census and who support the group shows barely a few percentage.
Your casteist rhetoric notwithstanding the ones opposing missionaries are quite vocal even among Congress and Congress ruled states where anti-conversion laws are put in place by non other than the Congress government. (BTW BJP is the political face of the Sangh parivar, even now they are the single largest party in India).
Since this is a Conservative Republican site, and I am one of those conservative republicans..i am posting in this site.
While that maybe so you haven't been here long enough to establish your credentials as such.
But he is not a missionary... do some research on who the missionaries are and what they do. Janitors who work in the hospitals are not surgeons or doctors or even nurses.
The Student rapist Indian quoted was just a analogy used and not a real attack.
He is a foreigner working working for a Jesuit organisation thats more than enough for me. On this very thread I have posted articles from the BBC and other media sites on how the Baptist Church (mostly from the US have been funding terrorist activities in the North East). Among the things that your missionaries do.
I dont see any such hate messages in Freerepublic and they are removed promptly if they do get across. Perhaps you should complain to the mods if you see it, i think you are comparing peanuts with apples. Btw I dont post in such nutcase sites like outlookindia forums and dont want to either, if you despite the FR so much why still post here.
I dont despise FR. Nevertheless there are plenty of idiots here too. It seems you haven't had an experience of an anti-Hindu threads as yet.
I really dont think so you criticised them..maybe you did criticise them for not beeing extreme enough, the language you use makes it very clear that you are as hate filled as them . Their ideology spewed the ugly attacks on the missionaires a couple of years ago, and yes absolutely the sangh parivar is wrong and deserve to be condemned. I dont think the Congress has ever stooped to that level.
You haven't been here long enough to know what for or why I have criticized them. So keep your opinion to yourself. Please don't make gratuitous assumptions.
Your own ideology of hatred for Hindus and those you call as "upper cast" is good enough for an American version of Sangh parivar. The Dot Busters (NJ) or the KKK or the Aryan Nation etc.
I dont think the Congress has ever stooped to that level.
Tell that to the Sikhs.
Sure but if the issue is so deeply popular and resonates with the common concerns of Indians, then they should be able to attract wide support..but they dont.
Its the only reason why BJP attracts any support at all. They are a major screwed-up bunch on practically every other issue.
Sure India can set up its own policies regarding visas and as long as it is within the constitutional freedoms. It does not give it the right for religious restriction for Indian Christians, harden the working environment of the missionaires nor it has the right to create animosity towards them( the same as American Govt does not have the right to harass Hindus residing in America), this is the hallmark of civilised nations.
It is for India to decide how much freedom is "constitutional". I am not concerned what rights American Govt gives itself or the Hindus but as far as India is concerned our Parliament and Judiciary are the ones who decides who should have what or how much rights. I am against restricting on any religion. I believe Indian Christians should (and actually do) enjoy the same rights as the Hindus. But that constitutional right does not extend to foreigners or foreign missionaries. We are perfectly within our rights to restrict the freedom of foreign missionaries (especially those involved in active proselytization activities). We can not just harden their work environment but restrict them from operating altogether. In fact thats what we plan to do when we implement the anti-conversion laws.
'As I said I have no problems with Christianity or American values. When your Evangelical fascist brand of Christianity (which IMO is not the real face of majority Christianity) are on our turf (whether for the right or the wrong reasons) I don't require your license to voice my opinion. '
Oh boy.. you really dont have a CLUE about US politics, it is not surprising as you are NOT a American. Here is a little lesson.. Evangelical Christians, Southern Baptists etc are the core behind the Republican party base and the firm foundation behind it, a Huge number of Americans consider themselves to evangelical Christians and even President Bush is to himself considered to be an evangelical Christian. How do you think President Bush got elected? It was surely not the gays in San Francisco or the bay area that got him reelected. If you are against Evangelicals .. you are against President Bush and a vast number of Republicans/Americans, so you are not fooling any informed person here.
'. I dont hate missionaries, I oppose the ones that are involved in proselytization activities. '
Again you are contradicting yourself, missionaries are involved in proselytization activities, because thats wheir job is..it is like a plumber fixing the pipes.
'When they are on my turf, I consider my opinion (and the opinions of other fellow Indians) more important then that of a foreigner. '
This is not your TURF, this is FR - a american site.
'Congress ruled states where anti-conversion laws are put in place by non other than the Congress government'
Violence against missionaries happened under the national BJP govt and in States where BJP controls the Govt or is a major political force.
"He is a foreigner working working for a Jesuit organisation thats more than enough for me. "
Again your cluelessness is embarrasing, he is not a missionary period. The allegations were against missionaries and it is a lie as you cant prove it.
"It seems you haven't had an experience of an anti-Hindu threads as yet."
There are anti-Christian threads here, but i haven't seen any hate filled messages against Hindus in the same way your favourite site outlookindia had against Christians etc. I dont think Christians here attack a persons race.
'You haven't been here long enough to know what for or why I have criticized them. So keep your opinion to yourself. Please don't make gratuitous assumptions'
There are enough posts in this forum from you, to establish what you stand for.
'Your own ideology of hatred for Hindus and those you call as "upper cast" is good enough for an American version of Sangh parivar.'
I am against people who practise casteism and discriminate against their fellow humans, in the same way I am against Slave owners.. the upper caste have enough baggage in their past to be criicised, anyway I only criticised those who are behind those political groups. I do not in anyway support groups involved in violence like you do.
'But that constitutional right does not extend to foreigners or foreign missionaries. We are perfectly within our rights to restrict the freedom of foreign missionaries (especially those involved in active proselytization activities). We can not just harden their work environment but restrict them from operating altogether. In fact thats what we plan to do when we implement the anti-conversion laws. '
If they have valid visas to be in India, you have no right to threaten their safe working environment or try to harass them from doing their jobs, like i said this is a hallmark of a civilised society.