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To: Romish_Papist

So maybe your government should do something about the poverty? And I find it hard to believe that no conversions are sincere. Sorry, I just find that hard to believe. And missionaries target the poor because they need the most help.

What makes you think the government isn't doing anything about the poverty? And what gives the foreign missionaries the right to intervene and decide what methods to apply to reduce poverty if indeed that is their sole objective (which you and I both know is hardly the case.) 90% of the conversions are pure scams. The Missionaries target the poor because they are the easiest to convert through material benefits. I have never seen Missionaries try their luck with the educated elites who would be in a better position to actually understand the tenets of Christianity and have no use of the material largess.  

Look I live in India and know more about the conversion activities taking place in India. Here people have also seen the ugly side of Christianity in addition to the good side.

Ok. So? There are good and bad people in every religion. Hindus as well.

The difference is that the bad Hindus don't turn up or by some sort of "divine right" demand an entry into the US to insult/denigrate/demonize Christianity as satanic ritual and ask people to destroy every symbol of Christian belief and accept the Hindu Gods as their sole savior. Its time India puts a stop to this kind of shill activity put of by the hordes of soul harvesters comming to India from outside.

In that case why do they start praying to their old idols back again. They were not fully baptized I guess.

Fully baptized? Doesn't work that way. If they return to Hinduism (sp?) their baptism is still valid. They can reject their faith if they like, but they are still baptized. There are no "half-baptisms."

Its funny that people who have been Baptized for a bag of grain have absolutely no idea as to what it actually meant. More often they are under the impression that it is just another Hindu ritual (which if they perform will earn them a bag of grain). No wonder they go back to their Hindu past almost immediately. You can sprinkle water over them but not remove the Hindu out of them. And so I said they were always Hindus. Their so-called conversion wasn't valid or effective.

This is one major reason why many of the churches (in the business of gathering the neo-converts) have a hard time rooting out the Hindu symbolism and rituals that are still in practice for the fear that they may go back to their Hindu past or create a sort of synthesis of their own which is not entirely Christian. The Churches would deem the Hindu rituals as satanic and go to great lengths to make a public show of contempt for Hindu idols in order to indoctrinate the converts about the sins of Heresy and the consequences as a result.

Any ways conversion is always about intolerance and denying ones past.

Intolerance? How so? Not believing something does not mean you do not tolerate it. Denying ones past? No. If a Hindu convert to Catholicism said, "I was never a Hindu" then that would be denial. But if he says, "I was Hindu but now I am Catholic" then all that means is he changed his beliefs. There is no denial of his past there. Just a change of what he believes now.

Hindus dont object to worship of Jesus, Hindus also worship Jesus, just that they dont start breaking their idols, insult Hindus as pagan demon worshipers, deny their own past, change their names to western ones, wipe out every sign of their ancient culture, heritage and ethos.

Wipe out their ancient culture, heritage and ethos? Do you know anything of the Eastern Catholic Churches? They are fully in union with Rome yet they retain their cultures, and even their own methods of worship. Certainly they believe in one God, but that is what Christianity is.

As I said, their first target is the Hindu culture and every trace of Hindu symbols or artifacts is to be banished from their homes and surroundings. Even their names are required to be changed into Latin-Portuguese ones. Everything that is Hindu (regardless of whether good or bad) becomes Satanic. This is nothing but cultural invasion very much on the lines of Communism and Islam.

It most certainly is not. It is a person saying, "I no longer find truth in this religion. I now find it in that one, so I am now a member of that religion." Why is this so horrible to you?

There is truth in almost every religion. You may find the tenets of one religion more appealing then the other but to say that there is no truth in Hinduism and that only Christianity is the truth, thats is not religion but indoctrination.


376 posted on 05/23/2006 12:45:02 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan

.........but to say that there is no truth in Hinduism and that only Christianity is the truth, thats is not religion but bigotry.


378 posted on 05/23/2006 1:25:49 AM PDT by Gengis Khan
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To: Gengis Khan
"90% of the conversions are pure scams."

As I said before, prove it.

"Its time India puts a stop to this kind of shill activity put of by the hordes of soul harvesters comming to India from outside."

Thank you. You admit that freedom of religion only goes so far in India. That's a shame.

"There is truth in almost every religion. You may find the tenets of one religion more appealing then the other but to say that there is no truth in Hinduism and that only Christianity is the truth, thats is not religion but indoctrination."

Never said there were not elements of truth in other religions. But the fullness of the Truth resides in the Catholic faith. I really don't care if your religion allows for many "paths" to God. Mine does not. That is not indoctrination, by the way. It is sticking to what Christ Himself said. Something you obviously ignore when you say you as a Hindu, worship Him alongside other gods. I truly don't understand how you can worship Jesus after he said that, "no one comes to the Father except through me." How do you reconcile Jesus' teachings that there is only ONE God, and yet worship Him alongside other Hindu gods. Why worship Him if you do not believe what he said?

396 posted on 05/23/2006 8:33:48 AM PDT by Romish_Papist (St. Jude, pray for my lost cause. St. Rita, pray for my impossible situation.)
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To: Gengis Khan
One of my friends was a one of the Catholic minority living in India throughout most of his childhood. He said that there was vicious antipathy towards Catholic Schools and relief services, though very little was done by the non-christians to help them.

What makes you think the government isn't doing anything about the poverty? And what gives the foreign missionaries the right to intervene and decide what methods to apply to reduce poverty if indeed that is their sole objective (which you and I both know is hardly the case.

Christianity looks with favor upon the poorest of the poor, not the conceited intellectuals, always has. Read the gospels. It's not the government's job to elleviate poverty, it's the people's. Those who have are commanded to give to those who have not. Why is this a bad thing?

The difference is that the bad Hindus don't turn up or by some sort of "divine right" demand an entry into the US to insult/denigrate/demonize Christianity as satanic ritual and ask people to destroy every symbol of Christian belief and accept the Hindu Gods as their sole savior.

You're more than welcome to fund Hindu missionaries to the U.S.

Hindus dont object to worship of Jesus, Hindus also worship Jesus

No they don't, by definition.
404 posted on 05/23/2006 8:54:04 AM PDT by DarkSavant
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